iPhone 11 Pro iPhone 11 Pro (Max) - PWM - Eye Strain

[seaw]

Hi,

whoever gets his new iPhone 11 Pro first... Could you be so kind and check how the new phones handle dimming the OLED display? I would love to buy one of the new phones but I tested the X and the XS and both gave me headaches.

Thanks

 

[waquzy]

Hi,

whoever gets his new iPhone 11 Pro first... Could you be so kind and check how the new phones handle dimming the OLED display? I would love to buy one of the new phones but I tested the X and the XS and both gave me headaches.

Thanks

Most likely its gonna be the same problem with the PWM as the displays are pretty much the same

 

[Coffee_Time]

Most likely its gonna be the same problem with the PWM as the displays are pretty much the same

Agree.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

I would not get your hopes up. I was strumming through Twitter and came across this gem...

https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1173921016923533313?s=21

 

[McTaste]

You can get the display pretty dim using the Accessibility trick, but it is still much brighter than the non oled displays.

 

[jimmy_uk]

I would not get your hopes up. I was strumming through Twitter and came across this gem...

https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1173921016923533313?s=21

Damn....

 

[Matt91uk]

To be fair this year the story is much better for people sensitive to the PWM on iPhones as the 11 is not far off the pro, from what I can see you sacrifice a telephoto camera and 2gb RAM vs the pro and not a great deal else.

 

[madKIR]

To be fair this year the story is much better for people sensitive to the PWM on iPhones as the 11 is not far off the pro, from what I can see you sacrifice a telephoto camera and 2gb RAM vs the pro and not a great deal else.

They all have 4 Gigs of RAM. You also sacrifice the data speeds since the 11 is only MIMO2 vs MIMO4 in the Pro models.

 

[Matt91uk]

They all have 4 Gigs of RAM. You also sacrifice the data speeds since the 11 is only MIMO2 vs MIMO4 in the Pro models.

I thought the pro models had 6gb for some reason! Well even more reason why the 11 is a great option with little compromise for people sensitive to pwm. Just a shame that the screen is not quite full hd!

 

[Jimmy James]

Can’t happen. They’re Pro this year.

 

[Coffee_Time]

Is there any Amoled that can do brightness control other way than pwm?

 

[TDDM]

Is there any Amoled that can do brightness control other way than pwm?

Honestly, PWM isn’t necessarily bad. For example, Macbooks have PWM and no one has any issues with it (For the most part). The difference is that the Macbooks have PWM with Hz rates of 100,000+, while most phones seem to hover around 240Hz. I really hope that Apple increases the Hz rate before they switch to an all OLED lineup.

 

[mazdamiata210]

Is there any Amoled that can do brightness control other way than pwm?

Oneplus 7 pro has dc dimming and it works great

 

[TDDM]

Is there any way to keep the flicker above a certain less irritating level and still use the phone without headaches?

Unfortunately, the OLED iPhones always have flicker, even at full brightness.

 

[Maven1975]

Well... at least we can watch their new show “See”

Great job being ignorant when it comes to eye health Apple.

 

[Gunplay]

A teaspoon of cement should fix that.

 

[shinyleaf]

Hi,

whoever gets his new iPhone 11 Pro first... Could you be so kind and check how the new phones handle dimming the OLED display? I would love to buy one of the new phones but I tested the X and the XS and both gave me headaches.

Thanks

There's a bit of mitigation possible to minimize the effect of PWM:

The way Apple use PWM on X, XS, and probably 11 Pro, it only use the flicker between 0-50% brightness. From 51-100% it doesn't use PWM. As long as the display brightness is above 50%, PWM isn't in use.

Now you probably don't want the display that bright all the time. Luckily you can use the Reduce White Point option in Settings -> Accessibility -> Display Accommodation to make the screen less bright. This feature on OLED screens, which doesn't have a backlight, will dim the display by the amount set on the accessibility slider.

 

[TDDM]

There's a bit of mitigation possible to minimize the effect of PWM:

The way Apple use PWM on X, XS, and probably 11 Pro, it only use the flicker between 0-50% brightness. From 51-100% it doesn't use PWM. As long as the display brightness is above 50%, PWM isn't in use.

Now you probably don't want the display that bright all the time. Luckily you can use the Reduce White Point option in Settings -> Accessibility -> Display Accommodation to make the screen less bright. This feature on OLED screens, which doesn't have a backlight, will dim the display by the amount set on the accessibility slider.

This doesn't work, iPhones have PWM at all brightness levels.

 

[spooky23]

Daft question klaxon.

Is this flicker something that some people are able to see or is it a...er...invisible annoyance?

To clarify invisible, I mean it can cause headaches even though the flickering isn't necessarily visible during usage.

 

[jonnyb098]

Daft question klaxon.

Is this flicker something that some people are able to see or is it a...er...invisible annoyance?

To clarify invisible, I mean it can cause headaches even though the flickering isn't necessarily visible during usage.

Yes it causes headaches even if it isnt "visible". I remember playing with an iPhone X for about 20 minutes in the store and wondered why my head felt funny after.

This issue affect approx. 10 percent of people so its not a HUGE issue but its significant enough that people are now aware of it.

 

[Knowimagination]

PWM, the gluten intolerance of the tech world.

 

[TDDM]

PWM, the gluten intolerance of the tech world.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Why-Pulse-Width-Modulation-PWM-is-such-a-headache.270240.0.html

 

[newellj]

It's likely to be the same as the X/XS or so close as not to matter. If it bothers you, you probably need to go with the 11, not the 11 Pro.

 

[spooky23]

Yes it causes headaches even if it isnt "visible". I remember playing with an iPhone X for about 20 minutes in the store and wondered why my head felt funny after.

This issue affect approx. 10 percent of people so its not a HUGE issue but its significant enough that people are now aware of it.

Cheers fella. Not had issues with OLED in tv's but that's a touch different from a handheld device. Here's hoping I'm not part of the 10%.

Never had an issue using the X (family members own it).

 

[bsmr]

Mathe the new 11 pro does have a higher refresh rate than 240Hz.

We will know it tomorrow (hope so)