Rod Rod said:
yeah the performance isn't that good, but, i'm sure it's a lot better on an sse3 enabled cpu (read: pentium 4)
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yeah the performance isn't that good, but, i'm sure it's a lot better on an sse3 enabled cpu (read: pentium 4)
naaah, it's not that bad
like i said in the macbytes bit, windows 3.1 was pirated to hell, never did m$ any harm
like i said in the macbytes bit, windows 3.1 was pirated to hell, never did m$ any harm
which is the bloody point...
exactly, it boosted the "pool" of people that understood it. just like thousands upon thousands of priated versions of PhotoShop have turned Adobe into the de-facto "DTP Standard". Adobe never minded "too" much, so long as you didn't make money out of it (and come to their attention).
once OS-X can be installed, LEGALLY, onto a vast range of (preferably existing) x86 hardware, corporate directors may start to listen to their IT guys who lurrrve their UNIX boxes rather than just hear the clanging of ca$h that is usually associated with Apple by corporate types.
however, in the short term, it's hackers etc that will "force" Jobs to realise that everyone wants a real M$ WinDon't alternative, but doesn't want to pay the premium for machinery that Apple demands.
however i predict, for Mac Users, the rise of OS-X86 will also see the beginnings of MacMalware. it'll take a few years, but it will come.
In 50 years time, we'll ALL be Linux Users of some flavour...
Mass Hysteria said:naaah, it's not that bad
like i said in the macbytes bit, windows 3.1 was pirated to hell, never did m$ any harm
exactly, it boosted the "pool" of people that understood it. just like thousands upon thousands of priated versions of PhotoShop have turned Adobe into the de-facto "DTP Standard". Adobe never minded "too" much, so long as you didn't make money out of it (and come to their attention).
once OS-X can be installed, LEGALLY, onto a vast range of (preferably existing) x86 hardware, corporate directors may start to listen to their IT guys who lurrrve their UNIX boxes rather than just hear the clanging of ca$h that is usually associated with Apple by corporate types.
however, in the short term, it's hackers etc that will "force" Jobs to realise that everyone wants a real M$ WinDon't alternative, but doesn't want to pay the premium for machinery that Apple demands.
however i predict, for Mac Users, the rise of OS-X86 will also see the beginnings of MacMalware. it'll take a few years, but it will come.
In 50 years time, we'll ALL be Linux Users of some flavour...
If Apple let OS X get pirated a little.
They could let the public get a taste of OS X on Beige box hardware.
But Apple could break the hacks on each "Security update" patch or point revision. So the could control the amount of hacking to a certain extent, but still let the hackers (crackers?) make slightly usable versions.
( If this doesn't make sense, then I need sleep )
They could let the public get a taste of OS X on Beige box hardware.
But Apple could break the hacks on each "Security update" patch or point revision. So the could control the amount of hacking to a certain extent, but still let the hackers (crackers?) make slightly usable versions.
( If this doesn't make sense, then I need sleep
)
yuh, but....
makes perfect sense. but ultimatly, licensing the OS can make more $$$ quicker than trying to corner the HARDWARE market. Gates is right, money is in SOFTWARE.
just license the OS you bastards.
ps - you make perfect sleep, but sounds like you should get some sense anyway
Flynnstone said:If Apple let OS X get pirated a little.
They could let the public get a taste of OS X on Beige box hardware.
But Apple could break the hacks on each "Security update" patch or point revision. So the could control the amount of hacking to a certain extent, but still let the hackers (crackers?) make slightly usable versions.
( If this doesn't make sense, then I need sleep
makes perfect sense. but ultimatly, licensing the OS can make more $$$ quicker than trying to corner the HARDWARE market. Gates is right, money is in SOFTWARE.
just license the OS you bastards.
ps - you make perfect sleep, but sounds like you should get some sense anyway
What about waranty?GuyClinch said:
Firewire? Both 400 and 800.
Soundcard w/optical in/out?
Your motherboard can only support 4GB of memory while Apple's can do twice as much(8GB).
What about liquid cooling?
What about all the cables inside the box? Apple has it all organized and it looks beautiful.
Keyboard and Mouse? Unless your BIOS supports speach recodnishing(but you'll still need a microphone).
Software? You can't do much with BIOS. + powermac comes w/iLife($79)
Interesting...jhu said:
Why just the videos...
Apple has been a little lax on people pirating this copy of the OS, the pre-release Tiger stuff sort of got people in a world of hurt.
Edit: To kill the links to "videos" on MacB while the "instructions" are popping up everywhere -- seems Apple Legal isn't up to snuff at the moment.
Wonder if Apple is going to finally get on the ball and nail the people who keep posting the how to get a pirate copy of Tiger x86 working instructions, seems they might violate the DMCA quite nicely. Should make for some fun filled days and nights for somebody posting them and accidentally living in California.
i really don't think Apple....
"Wants" to get nasty about this....
think of all the free software development & beta-testing they're getting out of this....
of course, once a legal os-x86 is out, then they'll start getting really narky
"Wants" to get nasty about this....
think of all the free software development & beta-testing they're getting out of this....
of course, once a legal os-x86 is out, then they'll start getting really narky
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seriypshick said:
OK, if you were a power user who needed firewire, optical audio, and liquid cooling ( like if you were into video or sound recording ), you could simply build your system to include all of those specs. The mobo mentioned above is 150 dollars. If you wanted to build a powerful pc, you could get a board with all of those features integrated for about $180.
I would rather have PCI-Ex16 than capacity for 8 GB ram, lol.
You can use your i/o devices from your mac with a pc.
My motherboard, hard drive, optical drive, and memory have warrantees of 3 years to lifetime. I Dont Think my case is going to break.
Nobody's gonna argue that there is a better OS and software suite than Apple's. But how many people are going to A) be able to afford it B) want to afford it.
$2,999 for a tower?
I recently built a pc with an intel board, celeron D 2.66, 1 gig ddr2 ram, *integrated graphics*. In both windows and it absolutely destroys my mac mini. Same Apps, Same settings. Don't forget that this configuration is about 80% the price of a baseline mini, so if someone was able to buy a retail copy of x86, they'd be getting their money's worth. The better new benchmark: Performance per dollar (PPD).
matix said:
IMHO it is not only about performance (although very important)
- Performance
- Stability
- Beauty
so more a PSB per dollar
It would be nice if apple sold a beautiful g5 case, a high quality power supply, and OS x For $499.
Heh its funny how people are still enchanted by this whole run OSX on your average PC. C'mon we all know this is just a gimmick, there's no real point to this, this is far from the real Macintosh experience.
I'm sure that Apple will try its hardest to make it hard to install the final x86 OSX copy on non-mac machines. Eventually it will get hack and it would the geek thing to do for some months, then eventually die out. Those who truly seek the Mac experience will go ahead and buy a Mac, the others will keep on going with regular PC boxes.
I wrote a small article about this on my blog a couple of months back, you guys are welcome to check it out.
I'm sure that Apple will try its hardest to make it hard to install the final x86 OSX copy on non-mac machines. Eventually it will get hack and it would the geek thing to do for some months, then eventually die out. Those who truly seek the Mac experience will go ahead and buy a Mac, the others will keep on going with regular PC boxes.
I wrote a small article about this on my blog a couple of months back, you guys are welcome to check it out.
If I could buy my own set of hardware, and did the research to get hardware that would be compatible, I could care less that my computer, now running OS X, was shiny metal or dull white. To me, the Mac experience IS the OS, not the computer which runs it.
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I've seen it run on a P4 3.6 GHz (HT, SSE3) with 1.5 GB RAM, and although CoreImage, Quartz Extreme, etc. were not supported, it seemed to run very fast!
The "look & feel" seemd very quick. Opening apps, opening windows, resizing windows... nothing much to really test it, but it "feels" very fast.
Good sign, if you ask me.
The "look & feel" seemd very quick. Opening apps, opening windows, resizing windows... nothing much to really test it, but it "feels" very fast.
Good sign, if you ask me.
For anyone who still doubts that it can be done, or have yet to visit this site:
http://www.osx86project.org/
Check out the forum, there are some guys playing around with OSx86 right now (not 100% sure how, but the website's main goal is to discuss OSx86 news as opposed to hacking, which is why you should check out the forum for everything else).
http://www.osx86project.org/
Check out the forum, there are some guys playing around with OSx86 right now (not 100% sure how, but the website's main goal is to discuss OSx86 news as opposed to hacking, which is why you should check out the forum for everything else).