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Mojave: The last great mac OS
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MacPro 5,1 with a 250gb SSD for my Mojave drive...rest are regular 1tb drives and raid 3-4gb Raid 5 external. Rest is in my description.
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There are tests that showed that amongst Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, and Catalina, Mojave is the slowest. Sierra is the fastest, with HS and Catalina going second.
Can you offer links? If thats true, I wonder if its something to do with the specific setup or setups they used.
I'm also guessing the results were within fractions of seconds, or in other words - within the margin of error. But I'm fine if you prove me wrong.
Either way, Mojave certainly doesnt 'feel' any slower on my systems. And if anything, my systems feel smoother with Mojave than sierra or high sierra did.
I havent done any comparison tests to be fair, but mainly because I havent noticed anything that would make me bother with it.
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Not to cast shade on your system, but any data point using a computer that came out a decade before the OS in question is generally not a great data point.
A shrewd observation. Although so far I've kept my MBP up to date, my iMac remains on XP Mojave because Catalina offers nothing but takes so much away. As for Big Sur - thanks but not thanks.
I having been living with Catalina on my 2015 13” MacBook Pro that has 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD with the release of 10.15.4, Booting takes about 23 seconds from cold start to login screen. Shutdown takes about 8 seconds. I never have timed, in Mojave, how long it took to startup and shutdown, so I don't have a comparison to go by. Fast user switching is painfully slow, about 4 seconds, even with a clean install which is a bit annoying. There are a few quirks as well that crop up from time to time, like deleting a file stack from the Desktop and it still shows the image of the files after the files are deleted. Have to kill off Finder to get it to show properly. But for the most part I don’t really miss Mojave as Catalina has been pretty stable for me. Yes, there are some 32-bit apps that I could not use but those haven’t been used in a long time so maybe it is a good thing that I had to delete them as part of house cleaning. The really important apps work in Catalina. I am looking forward to trying out Big Sur when it is officially released, will probably wait unit the 11.04 release.
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Keep in mind that when you shutdown the computer, the OS has to wait for apps and processes to quit before it can do a clean shutdown. Maybe try closing any open apps first and then do the shutdown.
To me, random issues aside (which often are the result of a unique issue with one particular computer) the key question I have to ask is this: How exactly does Catalina Improve your work/play/life with your computer. We know Cata robs us of 32 bit apps.
But what does it give us in return,
a noticable speed boost? Definitely not.
A better more efficient workflow? Don’t think so.
Access to new tools that we can’t live without? Not that I can tell.
Bottom line, from my perspective, Catalina is the OS that taketh away ... but doesn’t giveth jack squat.
I've got the island on all my main Intel Mac's but I did find Mojave to be rock solid and stable. iTunes is vastly superior to Music in every way. iOS 12 and Mojave were a sweet spot in Apple history for sure.
I downgraded to Mojave in my MacBook Air 2013. I had the same problems as you, minor battery life, iTunes ruined and 32 bit softwares and games out.
Mojave also has the last "classic" version of the Mail.app.
They've made changes in the Catalina Mail.app that makes it impossible to re-create "the old look" of Mail, which I prefer...
They've made changes in the Catalina Mail.app that makes it impossible to re-create "the old look" of Mail, which I prefer...
You are right (or Windows 7)
It is tragic Apple is going in the wrong direction ...but still making trillions : good for them, bad for us.
There are few Apple things I like lately , fewer and fewer, ,lost that excitement I had in the past when something new was coming out. Now it's fear about what they can ruin
So SAD
Well if apple didn't comeout with that garbagecan of a MacPro which ended up to be truly what it is looked like, Im sure more people would have changed to newer MacPro's. But since the latest new one came out at it's outrageous price point, there is still great demand for the 5,1 MacPro's and if you upgraded everything to the max like I pretty much have, then the OS shouldn't be that big of a bottleneck. Unless Apple does it on purpose to force people to abandon their old computers. I myself have mine setup like a server/daw station so upgrading is not practical at this time.
Is there anything that makes you more inclined to update too big sur. I am also on Mojave, however, the latest security update has been making my screen flicker every now and then.Yes I have to agree. I've have no incentive to install Catalina, and as for Big Sur.......well we'll just have to wait and see. But as these recent OS's appear to keep demanding more and more RAM memory, I reckon in the not too distant future 32GB may just about suffice.
For the moment I'll still very happy and smiling with Mojave, running very well on a mid 2010 MacBook with the DosDude1 patch and 4GB RAM, and another on a MBPro mid-2012 with 8GB RAM. Luvvly-jubbly!
Anyone reading this who is still on Mojave, will you stay once big sur comes out or update and why?
Arguably, you could say Mojave is the best OS as long as you sill use 32-bit apps.. I think the "ball park" question as why people seem to not like moving to Catalina, is probably revolved round lack of 32-bit support.
I like the WOW64 emulation, even on Windows 10 for 32-bit-ness.. You would of thought this would have been a good run to re-introduce Rosetta again on Mac
Their doing that anyway moving to Apple Silicon, (abit.. Rosetta 2) so they should have started early with Catalina.
That way they would have get more over, rather than rely on developers that cannot update for whatever reason/often technical/too much effort, or abandoned apps which will never be updated.
If Rosetta (2) ran on Catalina, all that would have been solved. And equally, being the last line of the Intel Mac..... it's fits in perfectly.
My mac pro 2013 renders better on Mojave over Catalina. Might have something to do with no T2 (not sure) I noticed my T2 macs are ok on Catalina, but my non-T2 are not.
Will give Big Sir a spin and see. Some macs will stay on Mojave, others on Catalina and a few may go Big Sir. It just depends on which system runs better with what version OS.
SSD will always make a difference over spinning hard drives.
I did a fresh install of Catalina yesterday, just to bite the bullet (finally..), and although 32 bit apps won't work, i'm somewhat complacent why WINE 64-bit will wok vesion will work on Movjane but NOT on Catalina..... I'll test this, but its probaly no huge loss..I mean the whole mean why i used WNE in the first place was dur o overhead you get with vmware virtualization. (OS install etc...) I foundou my WINE stul i rarely did anyway, so there was no reason NOTO to go with Catilina... but i'd still like to do it without VM.
I'll get used to the "here"" and "now"
I did a fresh install of Catalina yesterday, just to bite the bullet (finally..), and although 32 bit apps won't work, i'm somewhat complacent why WINE 64-bit will wok vesion will work on Movjane but NOT on Catalina..... I'll test this, but its probaly no huge loss..I mean the whole mean why i used WNE in the first place was dur o overhead you get with vmware virtualization. (OS install etc...) I foundou my WINE stul i rarely did anyway, so there was no reason NOTO to go with Catilina... but i'd still like to do it without VM.
I'll get used to the "here"" and "now"
I was on Sierra for years , never crashed once in 5 years , only upgraded to mojave due to the security updates - it's definitely slower than sierra and there's occasional finder slowdowns and hangs all the time - not very impressed tbh
iMac 27 w/ 1tb ssd
iMac 27 w/ 1tb ssd
I've had the best luck with High Sierra on my rig until the Security update 2020-04 which it didn't like my dual nvidia quadro card setup. I then took the plunge and bought the Rx590 to replace Nvidia altogether along with upgrading to Mojave. So far Mojave is behaving but only up to the 04 update, because of the problems the 2020-05 caused last few weeks. I don't do any gaming but photography and video editing, so consistency and reliability is my priority. Mojave is ok...but to me High Sierra was king. But one must keep upgrading. I still need 32bit and Flash for now so Catalina is out.
The problem with 2020-005 has finally been sorted out - another ‘supplemental’ was released a few days ago. I find Mojave to be the better OS compared to HS, providing you’re running it on an SSD. Don’t bother if you’re still using an old mechanical HD.
I have a 13” MacBook Pro (2015) and my needs are fairly basic. I mainly use it for music (iTunes), browsing the internet and for my photography (I use the standalone Lightroom 6). My MBP came installed with Yosemite and it would crash occasionally. This being my first Mac, I assumed it was normal – just like what used to happen with my old Windows PC’s! I skipped El Capitan and upgraded to Sierra and couldn’t believe the difference. Everything was faster, smoother and it didn’t crash once. I then missed out High Sierra but upgraded once Mojave came around and I’m still on Mojave 10.14.6 now. I used to get warnings that Lightroom 6 would not work if I upgraded to Catalina, but I’ve since read some reports contrary to that. Either way, I’m going to remain on Mojave. Apart from the recent blip with the Supplemental Update 2020-005 which caused a few issues, now that is sorted everything is fine again. I don’t recall Sierra feeling any faster than Mojave and with my MBP working speedily and perfectly well, I’m not inclined to change anything.