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cmaier

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Wait... The... Lens pops out of the rear shell.... WHAT!?

Talk about sacrificing practicality over a sleek design.. Laying this on every surface will be a pain.

This is true. I know some engineers in Cupertino and they let me play with a prototype. I tried placing it on my flat desk and it didn't work - it actually hovered about an inch in the air above the desk. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to lay on the desk. Steve Jobs would never have allowed this. He was very pro-gravity.
 

Wahlstrm

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Hoping for a iPhone 6C = 5C body with 5s internals.
Best of both :)

Don´t want/need a phablet.
 

SVTmaniac

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Hoping for a iPhone 6C = 5C body with 5s internals.
Best of both :)

Don´t want/need a phablet.

Care to explain how a 4.7" or even a 5.5" phone is a Phablet? As far as I know the smallest tablets out there are 7" in size, far larger than 5.5". So until they put a phone in a 7" tablet it's not really a Phablet. Every one of you big phone haters are way over dramatic. You'll buy the next iPhone and you know it. You just want something to bitch about because your life otherwise would be extremely boring.
 

andromeda107

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Hoping for a iPhone 6C = 5C body with 5s internals.
Best of both :)

Don´t want/need a phablet.

So essentially you want a device called an iPhone 6C which has absolutely nothing to do with an iPhone 6? If anything it would have either the internals of a 6, body of a 5C, or body of a 6 (with plastic), internals of a 5S. You're describing what would be called iPhone 5SC or iPhone 5CS

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Care to explain how a 4.7" or even a 5.5" phone is a Phablet? As far as I know the smallest tablets out there are 7" in size, far larger than 5.5". So until they put a phone in a 7" tablet it's not really a Phablet. Every one of you big phone haters are way over dramatic. You'll buy the next iPhone and you know it. You just want something to bitch about because your life otherwise would be extremely boring.

Phablet = halfway between phone and tablet, no one said it's a tablet with phone functionality. Or should it be a phone with tablet functionality? Oh wait.
 

cmaier

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Care to explain how a 4.7" or even a 5.5" phone is a Phablet? As far as I know the smallest tablets out there are 7" in size, far larger than 5.5". So until they put a phone in a 7" tablet it's not really a Phablet. Every one of you big phone haters are way over dramatic. You'll buy the next iPhone and you know it. You just want something to bitch about because your life otherwise would be extremely boring.

Um no. 7" is a tablet (eg iPad mini).
 

verniesgarden

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Care to explain how a 4.7" or even a 5.5" phone is a Phablet? As far as I know the smallest tablets out there are 7" in size, far larger than 5.5". So until they put a phone in a 7" tablet it's not really a Phablet. Every one of you big phone haters are way over dramatic. You'll buy the next iPhone and you know it. You just want something to bitch about because your life otherwise would be extremely boring.

we will buy it because we have to, not because we like the screen size, if the 6 comes out with a version with the same screen size as the 5s, i would get instead.

quit bitching about others being upset that they are forced into a screen size they may not want.
 

AZREOSpecialist

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This is true. I know some engineers in Cupertino and they let me play with a prototype. I tried placing it on my flat desk and it didn't work - it actually hovered about an inch in the air above the desk. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to lay on the desk. Steve Jobs would never have allowed this. He was very pro-gravity.

This is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. Apple's engineers let you play with a prototype? Yah, sure they did.
 

iphone5att64

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Apple likes to get in on markets that are underdeveloped. Consider how much the iPhone camera is used and how few add-on lenses are available/marketed/advertised. This is definitely something Apple can swoop in on and take advantage of since this market is so undersaturated at the moment.

Sell them at Apple stores
Advertise them on their iPhone commercials

It will give iPhones a distinct advantage/feature that other smartphones don't have. At least according to most of the public. Definitely a way for them to turn what would at first seem like a disadvantage (protruding lens) into a feature people will want.

They bought sapphire for lens not for screens?
 

justperry

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Liquidmetal is radio frequency transparent. Lends credence to NFC rumours?

NFC does not work that way, no antenna, no radio frequency.

Therefore, NFC antennas are not really antennas, in that no one cares about typical antenna parameters such as the radiation pattern. So how then do they work?

You may recall from your electric circuits classes that inductors can be made to couple together - that is, there exists mutual coupling. If the magnetic fields from one inductor pass near another inductor, an induced current will exist within the second inductor. This is contactless energy transfer - exactly what NFC requires.

Hence, an NFC antenna isn't an antenna at all - it is really just a big inductor. In general, the larger the inductance of the antenna can be made, the better it will perform.

http://www.antenna-theory.com/definitions/nfc-antenna.php
 

cmaier

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Mine has a highly polished metal insert. It's not aluminum and more reflective than any metal I've seen other than chrome. It's also, unlike the aluminum surrounding it, totally devoid of scratches.

Then you are the only one. If it's metal it should conduct electricity. It doesn't.
 

myrtlebee

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I'm holding the most recent iPad mini retina in my hand. It's clearly a plastic apple logo. Not only does it feel like plastic, and make a plastic sound when you tap it, but hooking up my meter it is not electrically conductive.

Do you have an iPhone 3GS sim tool made of liquidmetal like I do? Compare the two. It is not plastic.
 

myrtlebee

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The aluminium shell is opaque to radio frequency, which means that there needs to be a way for the transmissions in and out of the case. As plastic is permeable to radio frequency electromagnetic waves, they used a plastic logo and positioned the antenna for the WIFI-module behind it.

Liquid metal is not a metal in the conventional sense, one feature of it being not opaque to radio frequency transmissions. Which means they decided to use it on the newest iPads for the Apple logo.

All of this Apple Logo antenna placement problems do not make sense on the cellular data versions of the newest iPads, because they come with a plastic covered cellular modem antenna window at the top of the case. But probably in order to keep the internal layout as cost effective as possible, they kept the WIFI-antenna at the same place.

False on the claim that there needs to be plastic for the wi-fi signals to transmit. The first iteration of the non-retina iPad mini had its Apple logo polished into the aluminum with no plastic windows. Also, the 4th gen iPod touch was completely steel on the reverse -- with no plastic window.
 

cmaier

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Do you have an iPhone 3GS sim tool made of liquidmetal like I do? Compare the two. It is not plastic.

Yes, I have the sim tool (the dark gray liquidmetal one). That's nothing at all like the material that forms the apple logo.

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False on the claim that there needs to be plastic for the wi-fi signals to transmit. The first iteration of the non-retina iPad mini had its Apple logo polished into the aluminum with no plastic windows. Also, the 4th gen iPod touch was completely steel on the reverse -- with no plastic window.

The antennas need to transmit through plastic, glass, or connected to external metal (i.e. external antennas). They won't transmit well through metal. It's basic electrical engineering.
 

myrtlebee

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Yes, I have the sim tool (the dark gray liquidmetal one). That's nothing at all like the material that forms the apple logo.

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The antennas need to transmit through plastic, glass, or connected to external metal (i.e. external antennas). They won't transmit well through metal. It's basic electrical engineering.

How do you explain the products I mentioned, then -- iPad mini, first generation (until fall 2013) and iPod touch 4th gen with completely metal shells? The liquidmetal sim tool is silver, not dark gray.
 

StyxMaker

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Then you are the only one. If it's metal it should conduct electricity. It doesn't.


I have never seen a plastic with this reflectivity or scratch resistance. Also, Liquid Metal is an amorphous solid, not a crystalline solid that would reduce it's electrical conductance.
 

myrtlebee

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I have never seen a plastic with this reflectivity or scratch resistance. Also, Liquid Metal is an amorphous solid, not a crystalline solid that would reduce it's electrical conductance.

They won't listen, don't bother. It is not plastic; it is liquidmetal. I also find it humorous that people are claiming to have the liquidmetal 3Gs sim tool but fail to realize that the liquidmetal sim tools are silver, not dark gray.
 

cmaier

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How do you explain the products I mentioned, then -- iPad mini, first generation (until fall 2013) and iPod touch 4th gen with completely metal shells? The liquidmetal sim tool is silver, not dark gray.

Mine were gunmetal gray. I have lots of silver sim tools too - i've owned 2 or 3 of every iPhone since the original (except the 5c).

As for those devices, (and I can't believe I'm arguing with you - I suppose you don't believe in global warming either), they have ample non-metallic surfaces to allow radio waves in and out. For example, in the original iPad mini to which you refer, the wifi/bluetooth antenna is located in the chin near the speaker. There's pretty much just glass surrounding it in one direction, no metal.

If you'd like to learn more, I direct you to read up on Maxwell's Equations.

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They won't listen, don't bother. It is not plastic, it is liquidmetal. I also find it humorous that people are claiming to have the liquidmetal 3Gs sim tool but fail to realize that the liquidmetal sim tools are silver, not dark gray.

Sure. And you're the only ones in the world to notice this important fact.

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I have never seen a plastic with this reflectivity or scratch resistance. Also, Liquid Metal is an amorphous solid, not a crystalline solid that would reduce it's electrical conductance.

Wrong (i.e. - it's conductive, albeit not as conductive as some crystalline metals). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_metal , http://info.liquidmetal.com/Portals/202786/docs/LI1018_Properties_Comparison_Flyer_071713_JC.pdf
 
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