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NSA Was Able to Capture Live Data From Compromised iPhones in 2008, Including Live Camera, GPS, and More
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I don't get why it's their fault. They specifically say
if they have physical access to the phone, they can quickly jailbreak it and install anything they want. They set up the installation to keep all the apple logos (rather than replace them as the jailbreak often does) and to not install the likes of Cydia or anything other than their own code, so the user doesn't notice their phone has been jailbroken.
so really, you should be thanking the jailbreakers who were so quick to shout loudly about how they'd found the exploits in the iPhones
It took you a while
GMX.com will not give access to nobody.----------
This couldn't have been done without Apple knowing about it and even allowing it. Maybe they were forced into it maybe not but they were/are part of the scheme.
Because it is the NSA. (= the US government). Covert isn't called covert without a reason.
Moving your data from a US cloud service to another is just a waste of time.
I think there is every likelyhood that Cloud services are going to have a difficult patch. There is also big risk associated with having your confidential business data taken by a competitor.
Personally I never use Cloud services.
Shrink wrapping packages is easy. There's nothing on the actual shrink wrap itself that Apple does or puts label on. I shrink wrap stuff all the time. However, in a larger production environment, it looks more professionally done.
This could explain how Apple released a lot of iPhones with scuff marks on them. It wasn't Apple's production but the repackaging and handling process that caused it.
Even if you do a restore, does it really clear out everything. How is one to know this isn't embedded in iOS itself? Could explain why iPhones were reporting data usage even though the phone sat idle for 48 hours in one test. Everyone looked at AT&T regarding this issue, but was it really the NSA ?
Makes you think about all the past issues now.
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For businesses, I would never trust a cloud service hosted by someone else. For personal use - that contains no personal identifiable information about you then I have no problem (ie music, movies, word docs, etc)
Does all this just seem a little *too* cloak-and-dagger to be legitimate? DROPOUTJEEP, CHIMNEYPOOL, FREEFLOW, STRAITBIZARRE, TURBULENCE, SIGINT -- all in capital letters of course. These sound more like randomly-generated compound passwords than spy codenames. I'm thinking this whole thing is an end-of-year hoax on the media who will of course immediately fall for it without question. If this was your joke, hats off to you sir -- well done!
It took you a while
You don't know that for sure, in addition they got hacked last year and 3000 accounts were compromised.
Not defending Apple here, but that is pure speculation.
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You may not use Dropbox or whatever, but your data is stored somewhere. Your emails are on mailservers, your mobile phone usage data is at your mobile phone provider, and your credit card details are on servers at your bank.
Cloud services are only of minor interest, as they mostly contain just limited usable data (no-one is interested in your birthday pictures, application letters and a bit of correspondence). Most important data is managed by companies outside of your control.
This. It is probably the best easy to understand explanation of how the monetary system truly works.
I've never received an Apple product shrinkwrapped, only taped. Tape is impossible to remove from cardboard without me seeing that it has been done. So, they would have to have entire re-packaging systems, with new "Apple" boxes, to do this.
I've hardly ever received any product shrinkwrapped. That is mainly used on a pallet of items, so they don't fall off the pallet, not on an individual item which is all that is sent to my house. And products I have received with this also have other packaging that would have to be opened/replaced. Shrinkwrap is not in question.
And I gotta say, it's still easier to think that Apple's software and design is imperfect than they have been working with governments to check my messages.
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There's a glaring elephant in their room, though. As there usually is with conspiracy theorists. If no money has value (as they are wishing), what are they claiming does have value? They blandly throw around the term "assets", as if we all know what they mean.
Here's a theory on their theory....it was written by someone who has something that once had lots of value (precious metals, crude oil?), but has less now since paper money has become widely used, and they want value back in their "asset", so they wrote a little video condemning the paper money.
First they came for the communists and I didn't stand up because I wasn't a communist.
This stuff is about the US government violating the constitution. It's kind of a big deal.
100% right. With enough evidence and lawyer magic, many ppl can be found guilty of a crime they had nothing to do with. So the argument that if you have nothing to hide, then you will be ok is delusional. The data the government collects on each individual can be packaged and presented to convincingly link many ppl to all sorts of crimes.
Um, okay...this is a straightforward explanation of how the monetary system actually works in practice. Do you have a better explanation? Historically, all currencies used to be exchangeable for a static mass/weight in gold. Money markets didn't exist in the form they do now. Now if you want to trade your paper currency in for gold, you have to deposit it in a trading account (i.e. convert it to its electronic value equivalent) and make a transaction on the variable commodity market.
This may feel all natural to you and I, since we've never known anything else, but the truth of the matter is, money has value today only because we say it does through our use of it to exchange goods and services.
It is a fact that the phenomenon of interest bearing debt means that there is always more debt than money in the world. If you have paid off all of your debt, that simply means that somebody somewhere else has more debt than before, because the banks are using the money in your account as a basis to create more money to supply loans to somebody else, who is paying interest on top of the newly created money.
Why do you think the great depression was so devastating? Massive stock market failure caused panic and a mad rush for real paper currency caused banks to fail because they didn't actually have it, etc.
If we lose confidence in the currency, its value drops like a stone. If everyone tried to go to their bank and withdraw all of their savings in real paper currency simultaneously, the world's monetary based economy would literally implode overnight.
This coming from an accounting and finance professional. It's what I do for a living.
PS my first job was in Minneapolis at Larson Allen LLP right downtown
yes, dated. it can be easily argued that digital data and tracking your every move and phone call is not covered by that. Back in the days of the roman empire things changed a lot slower, and they didn't have game changing tech developed like computers. I think we need a new constitution for every generation since things are changing so quickly. I don't trust anything done back in the days before electricity and no computers to apply to my digital life today.
Um, okay...this is a straightforward explanation of how the monetary system actually works in practice. Do you have a better explanation? Historically, all currencies used to be exchangeable for a static mass/weight in gold. Money markets didn't exist in the form they do now. Now if you want to trade your paper currency in for gold, you have to deposit it in a trading account (i.e. convert it to its electronic value equivalent) and make a transaction on the variable commodity market.
This may feel all natural to you and I, since we've never known anything else, but the truth of the matter is, money has value today only because we say it does through our use of it to exchange goods and services.
It is a fact that the phenomenon of interest bearing debt means that there is always more debt than money in the world. If you have paid off all of your debt, that simply means that somebody somewhere else has more debt than before, because the banks are using the money in your account as a basis to create more money to supply loans to somebody else, who is paying interest on top of the newly created money.
Why do you think the great depression was so devastating? Massive stock market failure caused panic and a mad rush for real paper currency caused banks to fail because they didn't actually have it, etc.
If we lose confidence in the currency, its value drops like a stone. If everyone tried to go to their bank and withdraw all of their savings in real paper currency simultaneously, the world's monetary based economy would literally implode overnight.
This coming from an accounting and finance professional. It's what I do for a living.
PS my first job was in Minneapolis at Larson Allen LLP right downtown
'literally'?
Ha ha ha - In a way, yes. If this happened the confidence in money that only existed in a digital form would be non-existent, and become so worthless that the money supply in the world would quite literally shrink and collapse in on itself at such a rate that an implosion would be a good description.