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ahunter3

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RacerX said:
I've only run two operating systems on it though... Rhapsody 5.6 (Mac OS X Server 1.2) and Mac OS X v10.2.x

I've had both of those. (Still have 10.2.8 on one partition. For that matter, still have the Rhapsody install CDs...one of these days I'll UDF an unused disk and reinstall OS X Server 1.x).

Somewhere I've got a 3.5" floppy disk with MacOS 8 Disk Tools on it, and I've actually booted the WallStreet from that. I should dig it out and snap a screenshot of it booted from floppy, juxtaposed with it booted into Tiger :)

Also still have 8.6, 9.0.4, and 9.2.2 on it. I think the 9.2.2 partition was originally 9.1. And it has also had, in sequential order: the Public Beta; 10.0.x; and 10.1.x.
 

corbin_a2

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ahunter3 said:
I've had both of those. (Still have 10.2.8 on one partition. For that matter, still have the Rhapsody install CDs...one of these days I'll UDF an unused disk and reinstall OS X Server 1.x).

Somewhere I've got a 3.5" floppy disk with MacOS 8 Disk Tools on it, and I've actually booted the WallStreet from that. I should dig it out and snap a screenshot of it booted from floppy, juxtaposed with it booted into Tiger :)

Also still have 8.6, 9.0.4, and 9.2.2 on it. I think the 9.2.2 partition was originally 9.1. And it has also had, in sequential order: the Public Beta; 10.0.x; and 10.1.x.


How dose one get a copy of Rhapsody?
 

RacerX

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corbin_a2 said:
How dose one get a copy of Rhapsody?
The Developer Release versions are pretty rare these days (though a set of developer Release 2 was sold on ebay in Europe last week).

The best versions (in just about every way) are the Mac OS X Server 1.x releases, which have been running about $35US when I've seen them in online stores or winning bids on ebay. The primary advantage is that they have more software available to them. There is almost no software for Rhapsody 5.0 (the first developer release) and some software doesn't function in Rhapsody 5.1 (the second developer release). Also, there is much less software for the Intel version (of Rhapsody 5.1) than the PowerPC versions (Rhapsody 5.1, 5.3-5.6).

Rhapsody 5.3 (Mac OS X Server 1.0) can be upgraded to Rhapsody 5.5 (Mac OS X Server 1.0.2) via a free download from Apple. That is a very stable version and lets you run Mac OS 8.6 in Blue Box.

Rhapsody 5.6 (Mac OS X Server 1.2 and 1.2v3) were hardware compatibility releases designed to add support for early G4 based PowerMacs.

Also, the sets of CDs are different between the 1.0 and 1.2/1.2v3 boxed sets... the 1.0 CDs comes with a nice Third Party Software CD that wasn't included in the later versions.

Even though Apple only supported running the public versions of Rhapsody on G3 (or better) systems, they actually run very nicely on PowerPC 604 series processors. I have Rhapsody 5.6 running on a 7500 (with a 604e/225) and an 8600 (with a 604e/300), and both run very nicely even with graphically intensive applications.

And Rhapsody can also be run on 603e systems like the PowerBook 3400c. I ran Rhapsody on my 3400c for a while, but the major draw backs of it were the 800x600 display (like Mac OS X, Rhapsody really needs at least a 1024x768 resolution) and the lack of Blue Box (Blue Box doesn't function on 603e processors).

In the end I decided against running Rhapsody on my 3400c in favor of sticking with using my IBM ThinkPad 760ED (a Pentium/133 running Rhapsody 5.1). Even though my 3400c was way faster than my ThinkPad, the 800x600 resolution proved more of a hindrance than the slower performance (and lack of software) on the ThinkPad.



And just for total disclosure... I've been using Rhapsody for years now and have a nice collection of software. It is the lack of software that usually slows people down when starting out in Rhapsody, and it is getting harder and harder to find developers that are still willing to sell licenses for their old Rhapsody software. In some cases, they can't generate license strings anymore due to the fact that they no longer have any systems running Rhapsody.

What this means is that new Rhapsody users are often limited to freeware or making the best of available features in demoware.

If that isn't much of an issue, between the OS and hardware, you can put together a nice Rhapsody system for around $50 or less. The main thing is patients in finding the OS.
 

Maxwell Smart

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joecool85 said:
I noticed the starcraft CD. Its good to see people still play that and I'm not the only one.

Glad to see a fellow starcraft player! It's really the only game I still play. If you ever want to play, hit me up on aim or yahoo under znalbone
 

Psycho Therapis

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Oct 10, 2005
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I found this thread, so decided to contribute to it. I'm posting this using the oldest Mac that I own - a Performa 5200, running Mac OS 7.6.1. This system was previously running Mac OS 8.5.1, but it was a bit slow, so I decided to take it back to 7.6, where the speed of everything is now more tolerable. I replaced the Modem with an Ethernet Card, since I don't use dial-up anymore and needed to be able to access files on my LAN.
 

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macEfan

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Posting from a Powerbook g3 12". 233mhz, 2gb hard drive, 64mb ram. OS 8.1. Seems to work fine, but the internet does seem slower :D
 

dmw007

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Working for MI-6
I have two older Macs:

1) My first ever Mac computer, a PowerBook 165c

2) A PowerBook 5300cs, running Mac OS 8.

**Edit**
3) A 300MHz PowerBook G3, but it died shortly after I bought it used from eBay, so it is no longer with me. :(
 

macEfan

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no, I highy doubt your PB can dual boot.. I'd say the most advanced mac that can run OS 7.6 would be the Powermac 9600. 12 ram slots, and 3 hard drive bays make this the perfect computer to "soup up"
 

dpaanlka

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macEfan said:
no, I highy doubt your PB can dual boot.. I'd say the most advanced mac that can run OS 7.6 would be the Powermac 9600. 12 ram slots, and 3 hard drive bays make this the perfect computer to "soup up"

I dunno, the 8600 is nearly the same as the 9600, but only has 8 ram slots and 3 PCI slots. However, unlike the 9600, they have a very nice A/V system built in.
 

macEfan

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dpaanlka said:
I dunno, the 8600 is nearly the same as the 9600, but only has 8 ram slots and PCI slots. However, unlike the 9600, they have a very nice A/V system built in.
8600 has 3 PCI

9600 has 6 PCI

...

My 9600 Has an 3rd party A/V card in a PCI slot, as well as a SCSI card, 2 graphics cards, and a g3 400 mhz processor upgrade :D

But yeah, the 8600 is a nice machine also...
 

dpaanlka

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Nov 16, 2004
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macEfan said:
8600 has 3 PCI

9600 has 6 PCI

Yes, it should have been pretty obvious that 3 is what I meant, but the "3" didn't get entered.

macEfan said:
My 9600 Has an 3rd party A/V card in a PCI slot, as well as a SCSI card, 2 graphics cards, and a g3 400 mhz processor upgrade :D

All of which can be done with the 8600, since it has an A/V system built in from Apple.
 

macEfan

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Ok, ok, you win! the 8600 is just as nice as the 9600.. lol

However my 9600 is actually a WGS 9650, and I think is still a little more special :D
 

dpaanlka

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macEfan said:
Ok, ok, you win! the 8600 is just as nice as the 9600.. lol

However my 9600 is actually a WGS 9650, and I think is still a little more special :D

No, it just means it included AppleShare IP 5, and probably more ram and hard drive space when it was purchased new.

In conclusion, both machines are very very nice. If looking for something on eBay, for example, I would recommend the 8600 over the 9600, as you'll probably get more for your money.
 

macEfan

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what's the total specs of your 8600.. just curious...


my WGS 9650:

400 mhz g3 processor
3x hard drives ( 4gb, 4gb, 2gb)
784mb ram
2graphics cards ( Rage 128, stock apple card0
2x scsi cards ( 1 68 pin, 1 50 pin)
1x AV/ Capture/rendering card
SCSI CD burner
Apple Share IP 6
Price I paid: $22! :)

I agree, both systems are cool, and I can see why you like the 8600... The reson I don't care as much about the AV stuff is that my 9650 is just used as a server....
 

dpaanlka

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macEfan said:
what's the total specs of your 8600.. just curious...

500mhz Sonnet G3
Sonnet SATA card + 80gb Western Digital drive
internal yamaha CD-RW
zip 100
1gb ram
64mb ATI Radeon 7000
Mac OS 7.6.1
internal apple AV card

...yes, all of that crap is working fully with 7.6.1... i use it as a very nostalgic Video Editing system with Adobe Premiere 5
 

macEfan

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very nice~!

I'm amazed you got a SATA card working... :D

Another thing I love about the 8600/9600 series computers is that they have beefy power supplys, so I don't have to worry about my upgrades killing the PSU.. It does get quite hot in the case, so I'm investigating how to add another fan..
 

RacerX

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dpaanlka said:
No, it just means it included AppleShare IP 5, and probably more ram and hard drive space when it was purchased new.
If it is a WGS 9650/350 (and is stock) then it came with a video card (ixMicro TwinTurbo 128M with 8 MB VRAM was usually what Apple supplied with those), Ultra/Wide SCSI-3 card, a 10/100Base-T ethernet card and two hard drives (4 GB each)

My current 8600 is pretty much stock...
PowerPC 604ev 300 MHz with 1 MB of L2
9 GB hard drive
24x CD-ROM
416 MB of RAM
4 MB of VRAM (onboard video)
ATI Rage 128 with 16 MB of VRAM
Two 17" displays
Mac OS X Server 1.2 (Rhapsody 5.6)​
I sold the internal Zip drive (wasn't using it).
...yes, all of that crap is working fully with 7.6.1... i use it as a very nostalgic Video Editing system with Adobe Premiere 5
I have a second 8600 on it's way... it'll most likely replace my 8100av which has Premiere 5.1c on it currently.

I'll put a couple of the TwinTurbo cards in it and see how it does for simple capturing (it is supposed to have 4 MB of VRAM, so it should be in good shape for that type of thing). Plus it gives me a back up for my current 8600, which I've become dependent on.

It'll sit next to my 7500 (604e/225, 64 MB of RAM, 4 MB of VRAM, 9 GB and 3 GB hard drive running Mac OS X Server 1.2v3) which is currently doing server duties.
 

dpaanlka

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RacerX said:
I'll put a couple of the TwinTurbo cards in it and see how it does

If you have any Radeons lying around you can try that. R7000s are so incredibly cheap these days. Mines a re-flashed one, even.
 

macEfan

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dpaanlka said:
If you have any Radeons lying around you can try that. R7000s are so incredibly cheap these days. Mines a re-flashed one, even.

yeah, Im wondering.. how do you flash PC graphics cards to work with macs? I have a rage 128 for PC, and I want to put it in my 9600.. ( oo dual Rage 128's :D )


Also have a ATI radeon 9200 SE that I want to put into a g4 tower... is this possible? How's it done?
 

RacerX

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dpaanlka said:
If you have any Radeons lying around you can try that.
The only Radeon 7000 I have I put into my Beige G3.

But I'll keep that in mind... I tend to get parts like that from my clients from time to time.

of the parts I have on hand right now, the two TwinTurbos, an Asante Fast 10/100 ethernet card and an old Yamaha CDR have been set aside for the new 8600. if I buy anything for it to start with, it'll be either a larger hard drive or more memory (though those will have to wait for the end of summer).
 
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