Oracle Warns macOS 14.4 Can Cause Java to Terminate Unexpectedly

[RaceTripper]

Sigh…… 🤦

They had access to beta for MONTHS!!!!!!!! ​

If it wasn’t fixed by Apple, then most likely whatever broke Java isn’t a bug but most likely a security changes that Java needed to work with.

This isn’t on Apple fault. This is entirely on Java. They need to update it on their end.

Pure laziness by Oracle here.

Did you even read the article, or is reading comprehension just too hard for you? Why do people who are ***** clueless about Java feel the need to rag on Java?

Here, I'll help you out with it anyway: "The issue was not present in the early access releases for macOS 14.4, so it was discovered only after Apple released the update."

Also, Oracle isn't the only developer of Java implementations. It affects each and everyone of them.

 

[UliBaer]

Out side of that “little” end user use case, there is this great wide world of Java developers! I mean, do you hear yourself? Yeah, Java is a language that is widely used and important. But the powers that be overloaded the word, and the major uses cases for consumers (the majority of people) are mostly gone.

Did you really ever READ (edit: AND understand!!) my post?! I don't think so, so here we go: <.)>><

 

[vakarpochui]

Java needs to go. It’s time.

 

[Earendil]

Did you really ever READ (edit: AND understand!!) my post?! I don't think so, so here we go: <.)>><

I did. Did you understand mine?

I know some Java devs think they are the center of the universe, but ragging on regular people for not understanding the implications of server side tech is just mean.

 

[Earendil]

I love the naivety about Java. People literally have no idea where it is actually used.

That said I wish it'd die.

Well, to everyone’s credit, it’s an extremely overloaded term, with little consumer/user facing relevance. The average MacRumors user has been able to safely ignore “Java” for almost a decade.

 

[Macaholic868]

MacOS ain’t done,
Until Java won‘t run

 

[Shirasaki]

For a non-dev here, I still have programs asking to use Java, namely MATLAB.
Good thing updating macOS is a little more forgiving than iOS or iPadOS.

 

[svish]

Seems like there are a few issues with the latest update. Glad that I did not update my Macs yet.

 

[iGMX]

My goodness, such an ignorant statement. If only you really knew how and where Java was being used today.

That's not a reason to keep maintaining dinosaur tech. Where I work, most of our server side problems are caused by buggy java apps and applets. Java needs to die.

 

[vakarpochui]

My goodness, such an ignorant statement. If only you really knew how and where Java was being used today.

It's a relic from a deleted timeline.

 

[MagicBird]

Let's hope you don't have a technical position with anything to do with the Internet. If you do, god help your employer.

My employer is quite happy: we got rid of the CVE ridden Oracle JRE in the entire operational scope, to great success.

 

[MagicBird]

Yeah it's only powering like half of the business environments out there...

COBOL takes care of the other half!

 

[MagicBird]

Most used programming languages among developers worldwide as of 2023

For the ignorant Apple fans, here are the stats from the linked chart:
Java - 30.55%
Swift - 4.65%
Objective-C - 2.31%

Then, of course, who cares? Macs are mostly an afterthought in computer world anyways.

Afterthought eh :

Apple's PC market share in the U.S. 2013-2023 | Statista

In the fourth quarter of 2023, Apple shipped 16.1 percent of all PC units in the United States.

www.statista.com

Everyone can pull stats from the internet

 

[MagicBird]

Java is anything but obsolete. It’s the most widely used professional programming language after JavaScript and Python. It has little competition for the combined feature set of language and ecosystem stability, safety, and platform independence.

Put it out to pasture I say!

 

[RedWeasel]

COBOL takes care of the other half!

Probably, yeah. Well actually .NET might share the space with Java I guess.

And why not? Those systems work, they work well and are stable. The code is readable and understandable by programmers other than the original ones.

Leave the "fancy new framework every 6 months" to the web frontend devs.

 

[scorpio vega]

Today I learned Java is still relevant

 

[AlmightyKang]

Why do you wish it would die? It's a brilliant language.

PTSD from looking after Jenkins for the last decade.

 

[klasma]

Put it out to pasture I say!

And use what? There is no good replacement.

Apple uses it extensively on the backend: https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?sort=relevance&key=Java
The App Store and significant parts of Apple's cloud and services infrastructure are built on it.

 

[irusensei]

Regardless if its used or not it must go die in a fire along with every corpoware crap that Oracle touches.

 

[bice]

To be fair the poster will probably do a better job than our technical management which seems to go to conferences and generate a lot of expenses and come back talking about Kubernetes, the cloud and how we should outsource everything to India, then spend loads of money on that and deliver nothing and then magically disappear and be replaced with people who do exactly the same thing again.

Yeah, such management is bad and found in multiple places.
Personally I still prefer those to new developers entering the labour market with strong beliefs that the language and tools they used in school will magically solve all issues and then enthusiastically go on and start rewriting all old code. And because they can't be bothered to research business logic or feature requirements, as soon as they run into challenges that their new tool/language won't magically solve, they immediately limit the scope and end up with "new" versions of applications that runs a new codebase but is worse that the old in all ways .

By the it is time to move on to a new employer, leaving all the issues, feature gap and extra layer of maintenance behind.

 

[MilaM]

Instead of picking on the Java ecosystems, maybe you should ask the right question:

Why is a dot release of macOS this late in the release cycle breaking the workflows of so many developers on their Macs? Upgrading this late in the cycle should not break things, it should fix known bugs still lingering in the codebase and make the system more stable.

 

[RedWeasel]

Personally I still prefer those to new developers entering the labour market with strong beliefs that the language and tools they used in school will magically solve all issues and then enthusiastically go on and start rewriting all old code.

XML is bad and too rigid! *grabs pitchfork* Down with XML, all hail the JSON king!

And now we have JSON Schema...

 

[bsolar]

That's not a reason to keep maintaining dinosaur tech. Where I work, most of our server side problems are caused by buggy java apps and applets. Java needs to die.

Those issues are pretty much guaranteed not to be due to issues in Java as a technology: they are far more likely caused by bad implementation.

Switching technology is not going to make bad developers magically good. Bad code in Kotlin or Swift or Rust is not going to be any better than bad code written in Java.

 

[biffuz]

Oh, and here’s an article from this very site about Ask Toolbar

Oracle Now Bundling Ask.com Adware With Java for Mac

For years, Oracle has been bundling an Ask.com search toolbar with Java for Windows, relying on what some call deceptive methods to get users to...

www.macrumors.com

Oh, I see. Pretty short sighted from Oracle. Thankfully I stopped using their builds as soon as OpenJDK arrived.

 

[fff8e7]

Wow, no wonder why my MATLAB on Mac has been randomly unresponsive lately. Luckily, I have a Windows laptop to get the work done, otherwise I would really be on the verge of a breakdown.