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MP 14,8 So when will we see reviews and official benchmarks of the new m2 mac pros?
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I disagree with his analysis which basically is, it sucks, but it sucks because they didnt make a new case that works better. Rather than complaining it doesnt support GPUs, doesnt take more RAM, doesnt have ECC.
All these 'analysts' are always ending up fluffing apple rather than rightly criticizing it.
For ...heavens...sake, an i7 BEATS this the M2ultra. Its slots are completely gimped. A generation old AMD 6900XT beats the M2ultra at apple's own metal standard performance. THAT IS A LAUGHING STOCK EMBARRASSMENT!
Yet none of these guys have the guts to point out the elephant in the room and will let the public be ignorant of these unbelievably basic facts.
All these 'analysts' are always ending up fluffing apple rather than rightly criticizing it.
For ...heavens...sake, an i7 BEATS this the M2ultra. Its slots are completely gimped. A generation old AMD 6900XT beats the M2ultra at apple's own metal standard performance. THAT IS A LAUGHING STOCK EMBARRASSMENT!
Yet none of these guys have the guts to point out the elephant in the room and will let the public be ignorant of these unbelievably basic facts.
If your workflow is based on CineBench R23, lol, which is benchmark highly dependent on a open source raytracing library that is completely optimized for SSE/AVX by Intel itself.
Anyway, any workflows heavily tuned/optimized for Intel AVX instead of ARM NEON will be obviously faster with X86 processors, this is no surprise for anyone.
I'll defer on those SSE/AVX heavy tests, but on others, like metal tests, where i9 beat the M2ultra, I don't see many excuses for it. It's just slow compared to Intel's desktop offerings.
I was very disappointed with Luke Miani. He could've put in real effort, bought PCIe cards, done tests and try to understand the Mac Pro, but he just did a short generic analysis for laughs.
Luke seems to live in his own bubble where the only "pro" that exists is a video editor who likes running benchmarks.
Luke seems to live in his own bubble where the only "pro" that exists is a video editor who likes running benchmarks.
That's 99% of Apple Youtubers.
Almost all tech YouTubers that benchmark desktops/laptops will use tools related to their video editing workflow and other synthetic benchmarks.
If you want them to improve their review by including benchmarks specific to your workflow then speak up about it.
Those who want to avoid buying devices they have little reason to upgrade from... avoid YouTube reviews. I credit to them half a dozen purchases in the past decade.
If you want them to improve their review by including benchmarks specific to your workflow then speak up about it.
Those who want to avoid buying devices they have little reason to upgrade from... avoid YouTube reviews. I credit to them half a dozen purchases in the past decade.
that's true. nothing about 3D or ML
for ML, the Jeff Heaton Youtube Channel is great.
for ML, the Jeff Heaton Youtube Channel is great.
Yeah, you're probably correct. May not be accurate. Just thought of sharing because of the thread topic. We might see more tests in the future.
Well, after the first review - this one made my head hurt.
64 gigs of RAM on M2 is more efficient than 192 gigs on Intel because of Unified Memory? What? No. You need more memory on Apple Silicon because you're sharing your system memory and VRAM in one pool now. Sigh.
After the first review he also made a mistake on the PCIe bandwidth. The new Mac Pro has _less_ PCIe bandwidth than the old one. When Apple says they doubled the bandwidth - they only mean that PCIe4 has double the bandwidth of PCIe3. Not that the entire system has double the bandwidth.
Why would anyone buy it, when there is a much cheaper mac studio available? Who needs pcie slots, it’s 2023?
This is damning on the Mac Pro. Even though its a cheaper device and more powerful at the entry level than a specced up version of its predecessor at 15k, many have moved on to the MacBook Pro as a better option for their needs.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does two more iterations on this SKU and call it a day. The market that are even targeting for this has already switched over to Windows and Linux using x86.
Which professionals is the Mac Pro for? We couldn’t find them
We asked professionals if they wanted Apple’s desktop, and they all said no.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does two more iterations on this SKU and call it a day. The market that are even targeting for this has already switched over to Windows and Linux using x86.
I need it, though. But I’ll still get the Mac Studio m2 ultra, I just don’t need the expansion slots that the mac pro offers, and the mac studio is extremely portable as well…This is damning on the Mac Pro. Even though its a cheaper device and more powerful at the entry level than a specced up version of its predecessor at 15k, many have moved on to the MacBook Pro as a better option for their needs.
Which professionals is the Mac Pro for? We couldn’t find them
We asked professionals if they wanted Apple’s desktop, and they all said no.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple does two more iterations on this SKU and call it a day. The market that are even targeting for this has already switched over to Windows and Linux using x86.
Not true. In some cases yes. But not all. My 13900k can't beat even my M1 Ultra in some scenarios. This is why people need to stop relying so heavy on benchmarks. Yes, benchmarks would tell me to get rid of my Macs ASAP, but they actually make my job FASTER in real-world use. Things are much different now than just CPU cores and frequency.
I am not putting up with the whine/whistle on the Mac Studio any more. I have literally been on the edge of just throwing my studio at the wall its so incredibly annoying. And I replaced it FIVE TIMES before I gave up and needed to get back to my work.
Also, PCIe slots are good for internal fast SSD expansion. I also don't like having two external SSDs just permanently connected to my Mac Studio.
It's for those reasons I am considering this 2023 Mac Pro. Plus, it does have the capability to increase the base storage too, so I can upgrade that later and not have to order it with 8TB now.
Oh, interesting, which mac studio do you have? I’ve only ever experienced coil whine on an Intel Mac Mini I used to have, also replaced it three times with no success, but I thought that’s just Intel problems.
I might actually consider the Mac Pro now, since I need it for music production. Coil whine would just be unbearable.
I have the M1 Ultra Mac Studio, got it maxed out too thinking it would last a few years but not with this annoying sound its producing.
It is accurate for the config they tested which is the one they had on hand. Some of the application would benefit from an upgraded gfx card on the 2019 Mac Pro But I doubt it would come close to m2 ultra ( except for maybe Geekbench compute)
For many applications there is nothing that can beat the m2 ultra. Eg. i don’t know the exact reason but Lightroom classic absolutely flies on Apple Silicon. Even if you put the Nvidia Rtx4090 on the top intel/amd cpu, it still wouldn’t come close to the m2 ultra. There are many other examples as well, just not Lightroom.