Tim Cook Says Apple is 'Not Against Digital Advertising' Ahead of iOS 14.5 Launch With App Tracking Transparency

[I7guy]

Not enough? I'd be happy if they had ANY principled stance in China. You haven't provided an example... hint, you won't find one. It's because the man is not actually principled. He's a blowhard when it is convenient and low risk.

Here are examples to the contrary:

• Turns over iCloud data to communists
• Denys VPN apps on China's app store
• Removes Hong Kong app after China state media criticism
• Removes the Taiwan flag emoji from iOS

You know the old saying that actions speak louder than words. This demonstrates that there have been numerous opportunities for just a few critical words from Tim Apple. He's perfectly free to open his trap whenever he wishes though.

BTW, I love most of what they are doing in iOS14.5

So Apple should follow local laws in the country(s) where they do business? The fact is the workers at the Foxconn plant earn above average wages, as has been documented. Other than that just like some believe Apple is hypocritical the flip side is there no reason for apple to speak out about every issue in the world. They are allowed to pick and choose what they want to speak about. It feeds into “the whatever apple does is never enough for some”.

Nothing will absolve them of their failure to take a strong stand regarding what's happening over there. If they don't want to suffer from the "no do enough" syndrome, then they should quit puffing their own virtues. If they find the time to boast about their principles, they have the time to put a statement condemning atrocities too.

In my opinion, there is no absolution to be had, just as in your opinion there is.

 

[dk001]

The thing is that, Google has a far greater reach and can track where FB can’t. In the 00’s I started noticing how every new product that G launched filled in chunks of the internet that were invisible to them. One by one the products rolled out. Check out Google’s inventory and see the breadth they have. Multiple ad entities, analytics, mail, browser, mobile and desktop OS, safe search hitch sends all URLs to them by default in multiple browsers, apps like chaptch, and on and on.

Then you look at statements they made about data gathering, mining and scoring individuals.

They have more reach than any company should have.

Definitely not disagreeing. When you compare the two though it’s like comparing a Zoo vs the Monkey Enclosure.

I expect it from Google as I use their goods and services. When I look, I do use a lot of Google services. Just wish I knew and could see the real scope of collected.

Facebook I have nada to do with yet there they are - stalking and selling me.

I’m all for transparency and permission.

 

[quarkysg]

It is not a principle if you bend and shape it based on authority or risk. Based on this, the statement should read: privacy is a "government applied privilege".

"At the end of the day, it is up to the Chinese people to fight for their future." Uighurs wish it were that easy. I'm glad the French didn't think the same during the Revolutionary War. I'm glad the world didn't think the same about Western Europe during the 1930's-40's. China has a freaking social credit system and re-education camps!

It seems like different points are thrown in solely to attack Apple as an organisation. I suppose it is because Apple is the most successful company today and it is cool to attack Apple.

In the context of this discussion, it is about privacy. Apple designed their product and services based on their best effort to ensure that the users of their product have the best possible privacy safe guard they can have, within the confines they operate in. Apple says they care about their users' privacy and I see that their products are actually trying to do that. Whether you agree is up to you. If the local authority asked for data, are you suggesting or advocating that Apple refuse? Apple is a multi-national cooperation, with many employees dependant on it for their livelihood. Apple cannot operate based on feelings.

Your comments on the Uighurs likely are reports from main stream medias. I've seen a video of Chinese authority actively helping the Uighurs, trying to improve their lives, while the same footage has been depicted by Western media as oppressive. I don't know what to believe, because there's always 2 sides to a story, and because I do not know what is actually happening. Even local news where I live is reported with a certain agenda in mind, but I know what's happening, so I can draw my own conclusions. As I've said in earlier post, it is easy for anyone to pass judgement behind the safety of a keyboard.

You may disagree with the values of a culture, but that doesn't make it bad. Maybe I'm lucky in that my work allows me to interact with folks world wide with differing cultures and values. It lets me have a different perspective.

Targeting China because they adopted Communism shouldn't make them a devil. This is likely due to history where Chinese comes from a monarchy system, and Chinese culture values community over self. Besides, China is moving towards Socialism now. If you asked me, the Chinese government has been doing much more for it's citizen compared to spending time doing useless stuffs like building a useless wall or tweeting non-stop or separating children from their parents. But like I say, I don't know if those are happening actually, since I get that from mainstream media, so I reserve my judgement.

Finally, let's look at the largest democratic nation of the world. How does it compare to China?

 

[quarkysg]

All the propaganda about poverty alleviation aside, as was stated earlier - money is not a measure of morals. This topic is about what Apple should be doing to stand up to its own self-proclaimed moral high ground, which they have failed to do so. Apple should be soundly condemned for their silence and complicity.

It's actually not propaganda. Visit China and see for yourself.

 

[siddavis]

It seems like different points are thrown in solely to attack Apple as an organisation. I suppose it is because Apple is the most successful company today and it is cool to attack Apple.

In the context of this discussion, it is about privacy. Apple designed their product and services based on their best effort to ensure that the users of their product have the best possible privacy safe guard they can have, within the confines they operate in. Apple says they care about their users' privacy and I see that their products are actually trying to do that. Whether you agree is up to you. If the local authority asked for data, are you suggesting or advocating that Apple refuse? Apple is a multi-national cooperation, with many employees dependant on it for their livelihood. Apple cannot operate based on feelings.

Your comments on the Uighurs likely are reports from main stream medias. I've seen a video of Chinese authority actively helping the Uighurs, trying to improve their lives, while the same footage has been depicted by Western media as oppressive. I don't know what to believe, because there's always 2 sides to a story, and because I do not know what is actually happening. Even local news where I live is reported with a certain agenda in mind, but I know what's happening, so I can draw my own conclusions. As I've said in earlier post, it is easy for anyone to pass judgement behind the safety of a keyboard.

You may disagree with the values of a culture, but that doesn't make it bad. Maybe I'm lucky in that my work allows me to interact with folks world wide with differing cultures and values. It lets me have a different perspective.

Targeting China because they adopted Communism shouldn't make them a devil. This is likely due to history where Chinese comes from a monarchy system, and Chinese culture values community over self. Besides, China is moving towards Socialism now. If you asked me, the Chinese government has been doing much more for it's citizen compared to spending time doing useless stuffs like building a useless wall or tweeting non-stop or separating children from their parents. But like I say, I don't know if those are happening actually, since I get that from mainstream media, so I reserve my judgement.

Finally, let's look at the largest democratic nation of the world. How does it compare to China?

So much about this post just makes me sad... as if history does not provide a guide.

I'll just leave it at this. If "fundamental rights" are dependent on cultural norms, then they are NOT fundamental.

 

[mtneer]

It's actually not propaganda. Visit China and see for yourself.

No one can believe anything they see there, no point in trying to. Anyways its not the point of this thread.

 

[quarkysg]

So much about this post just makes me sad... as if history does not provide a guide.

I'll just leave it at this. If "fundamental rights" are dependent on cultural norms, then they are NOT fundamental.

If you’re interested, you could learn what history teaches people from various cultures from this YouTube link.

The above should link to other videos about the Uyghur in Xinjiang, uploaded by visiting foreigners.

Propaganda? Draw your own conclusion.

 

[siddavis]

If you’re interested, you could learn what history teaches people from various cultures from this YouTube link.

The above should link to other videos about the Uyghur in Xinjiang, uploaded by visiting foreigners.

Propaganda? Draw your own conclusion.

Thanks for sharing. I watched most of that video, but I have to say that it lost all credibility when he stated that people won't speak up because of the history that The West simply feared the USSR because of the potential of a successful Marxist society. Riiiiiiiight, because it was just misunderstandings of Communist rule that leads to this "perception". I take it all back, Stalin was a righteous man and the Kazakh Famine was just a bit of bad luck. I find it hilarious to wonder if this Chinese state media production could possibly be propaganda.

 

[MBAir2010]

What do the remaining Uyghurs use on their devices to block digital tracking?