U.S. House Judiciary Committee Subpoenas Apple for Info on Alleged Free Speech Suppression

[ponzicoinbro]

Are you implying that there is a some sort of "cast" system for the customers? Who are those indecent customers?

Are you trying to say 'caste' but don't know how to spell it?

If so, you should also look up what caste means. It doesn't apply to your funny question.

 

[avz]

Are you trying to say 'caste' but don't know how to spell it?

If so, you should also look up what caste means. It doesn't apply to your funny question.

Does it make me indecent or illiterate? Can I still shop at the Apple Store or should there be a "different" stores for people like me?

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Does it make me indecent or illiterate? Can I still shop at the Apple Store or should there be a "different" stores for people like me?

First say what you are looking for in a store and then that can be answered.

If you go to Macy's and ask them where is the Nazi uniforms department they will gladly tell you they don't stock such garbage and they will not be forced to.

That's not free speech censorship.

 

[avz]

First say what you are looking for in a store and then that can be answered.

If you go to Macy's and ask them where is the Nazi uniforms department they will gladly tell you they don't stock such garbage and they will not be forced to.

That's not free speech censorship.

Nazi uniforms are not the problem, people in normal suits and ties regurgitating passively aggressive Nazi statements like "we are an exceptional and indispensable nation" on the other hand are the real problem.

 

[Moof1904]

Cite your source for this.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf

 

[poorcody]

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf

From Wikipedia:

The Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) is a group of physicians and former journalists formed in April 2020 that has advocated for various unapproved, dubious, and ineffective treatments (e.g. hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, and other miscellaneous combinations of drugs and vitamins) for COVID-19.[1][2][3][4][5][6] The group is led by Paul E. Marik and Pierre Kory.[3] Both would later join conservative or right-wing groups promoting COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy and misinformation.

The World Health Organization, U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and European Medicines Agency advise against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 outside of clinical trials, but the FLCCC has contended that ivermectin could reduce viral load and accelerate recovery in patients.[7][8][9]

Also:

Fringe Doctors' Groups Promote Ivermectin for COVID despite a Lack of Evidence

The organizations touting unproved protocols for the antiparasitic drug may be harming vaccination efforts

www.scientificamerican.com

FLCCC Co-Founder's Medical License Expires

Paul Marik, MD, says he does not intend to renew his license or obtain a new one

www.medpagetoday.com

Frontiers Removes Controversial Ivermectin Paper Pre-Publication

A review article containing contested claims about the tropical medicine drug as a COVID-19 treatment was listed as "provisionally accepted" on the journal's website before being removed this week.

www.the-scientist.com

 

[ninecows]

From Wikipedia:


Also:

Fringe Doctors' Groups Promote Ivermectin for COVID despite a Lack of Evidence

The organizations touting unproved protocols for the antiparasitic drug may be harming vaccination efforts

www.scientificamerican.com

FLCCC Co-Founder's Medical License Expires

Paul Marik, MD, says he does not intend to renew his license or obtain a new one

www.medpagetoday.com

Frontiers Removes Controversial Ivermectin Paper Pre-Publication

A review article containing contested claims about the tropical medicine drug as a COVID-19 treatment was listed as "provisionally accepted" on the journal's website before being removed this week.

www.the-scientist.com

This is moving away from science and towards p-value hunting to whatever matches the agenda you’re pushing

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

This quack outfit committee just want to turn the world back to 17th century when robber barons and religious extremists were in charge and beat and robbed the population.

There is also a group of quacks called NLPC who are trying to attack Apple and remove Tim Cook from the board. The NLPC are an extremist crank group who are climate change deniers and homophobes.

 

[Jonr515]

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this exactly - what republicans get a little bit of power what do they do N O T H I N G. Hunters Laptop, this crap etc... and HOW is this going to help every American

Ya, it's almost like investigating Russian collusion in the election for Trump.....

 

[PrecisionGem]

“U.S. House Judiciary Committee Republicans plan to investigate whether the federal government "colluded" with tech companies to ‘suppress free speech’ on issues like COVID-19.”

I think we’re all agreed that, for example, there is no legal right to promote actual snake oil as a cure for cancer, no?

Then there also is no legal right to promote either Ivermectin nor bleach injections as a cure for human viral respiratory infections.

The scary part is that people so woefully ignorant of basic physiology have positions of power within our government. I don’t know what the cure is for that kind of stupid when it infects society to such an extent.

b&

Funny thing is, the USA had the highest death rate of covid in the world, after following "the science" and the CDC. Countries that used Ivermectin, vitamin D etc had much much lower death rates than the USA.

 

[Vref]

Why don’t we just call “content moderation” censorship?

Trying to sugar coat such disgusting practices makes no sense to me

 

[Vref]

Politics aside, Apple doesn’t have a social media site or a search engine. What speech are they suppressing? Same with Amazon I guess.

I agree for the most part, but Apple did remove my favorite shooting ballistics app from the App Store just because the dev happened to live in Russia…

That wasn’t cool

 

[ajfahey]

Something else is bothering me.

You can make an argument — a very bad, poorly-reasoned, and unsupportable argument, to be sure, but an argument nonetheless — that a platform such as Twitter is a de-facto public space and so higher standards of freedom of speech must apply.

But how on Earth does Apple fit into any of this? Apple isn’t a social media company; all their communication platforms are person-to-person. You can send all the emails you want to your friends and family ranting about the latest whatever, and Apple won’t stop you. It’s not like they’re YouTube taking down your FaceTime call with your crazy uncle.

Apparently it’s too much to ask of the current House majority to even make arguments that are coherent. Then again, just look at their behavior in the State of the Union speech, or during the Speaker selection process, or when answering questions of reporters about your dog charity, or …

b&

How is systemic corporate interference with civil rights, freedom of speech, not a civil rights violation like, say, a corporation preventing people from voting?

 

[Vref]

How is systemic corporate interference with civil rights, freedom of speech, not a civil rights violation like, say, a corporation preventing people from voting?

And how we have learned over the past few years the gov get deeply involved in how these companies operate

 

[ninecows]

Funny thing is, the USA had the highest death rate of covid in the world, after following "the science" and the CDC. Countries that used Ivermectin, vitamin D etc had much much lower death rates than the USA.

Ah isn’t freedom of speech lovely. No one will put you in jail no matter how ludicrous a statement you make.

But ok. I’ll bite. It’s true. Many countries did far better than the US in terms of death rates. And they did so without ivermectin or drinking bleach. They did so by taking the vaccine and practicing social distancing instead of arranging big motorcycle or BLM rallies and other super spreader events.

The votes are still out on Ivermectin. But the vaccine clearly bought us the time it took for coronavirus to mutate into something more contagious that only attacks the upper respiratory system isn’t of turning your lungs into stone.

 

[Vref]

Ah isn’t freedom of speech lovely. No one will put you in jail no matter how ludicrous a statement you make.

But ok. I’ll bite. It’s true. Many countries did far better than the US in terms of death rates. And they did so without ivermectin or drinking bleach. They did so by taking the vaccine and practicing social distancing instead of arranging big motorcycle or BLM rallies and other super spreader events.

The votes are still out on Ivermectin. But the vaccine clearly bought us the time it took for coronavirus to mutate into something more contagious that only attacks the upper respiratory system isn’t of turning your lungs into stone.

Comparing noble prize and darpa proven ivermectin to drinking bleach, yeah credibility just pegged at zero

 

[ninecows]

Comparing noble prize and darpa proven ivermectin to drinking bleach, yeah credibility just pegged at zero

Sorry. I forgot that the dude that recommended bleach was not a noble prize candidate. He was just elected president 😂

 

[Vref]

Sorry. I forgot that the dude that recommended bleach was not a noble prize candidate. He was just elected president 😂

I could care less what a politician said

And ivermectin won the Nobel peace prize
“In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.”

But seeing darpa knew about covid back when we were paying to modify it and make it transmissible to humans while increasing its virulence, that same darpa said ivermectin was a great tool to combat it, well that’s saying quite a bit

Now if you were to mention DARPA and their pre “pandemic” findings on ivermectin having great results at fighting covid on any of the big websites it would get it censored and you’d get banned, but saying the big pharma shots would make it so you wouldn’t catch it, couldn’t spread it, or that there were no side effects (all VERY false), that was A OK

Censorship is always always a bad idea, good ideas can withstand debate, it’s the BS and scams that are afraid of the light

 

[Vref]

…

Private companies like twitter, youtube, facebook etc can set the rules as they please on their platform. They can limit or let everything go. Just as the editor of a news paper. …

No

See you don’t get to be a “public square” and enjoy that legal immunity, while acting like a publisher and censoring some content and promoting other content

You want to be a publisher, cool, be one, and be responsible for anything that’s on your medium

You want that responsibility free status, well you don’t get to censor people

Sadly our politicians still have AOL email addresses and don’t understand tech, they don’t want to anger tech bros who their interns say could help them win elections

So we let alphabet and Zuckerberg Inc play both editor/publisher and public square

Honestly it should have been simple, “stop censoring, any further censoring by man or ‘algorithm’ will result in immediate removal of all section 230 protections”

 

[ninecows]

No

See you don’t get to be a “public square” and enjoy that legal immunity, while acting like a publisher and censoring some content and promoting other content

You want to be a publisher, cool, be one, and be responsible for anything that’s on your medium

You want that responsibility free status, well you don’t get to censor people

Sadly our politicians still have AOL email addresses and don’t understand tech, they don’t want to anger tech bros who their interns say could help them win elections

So we let alphabet and Zuckerberg Inc play both editor/publisher and public square

Honestly it should have been simple, “stop censoring, any further censoring by man or ‘algorithm’ will result in immediate removal of all section 230 protections”

I'm not really sure what you're saying here?

Do you want total freedom of speech on said platforms? And Zuckerberg et al should just say: We don't want to limit what people can say on facebook no matter if they're advocating for jihad, overthrowing a democratically elected government, murder, genocide, incest, drugs, make-your-friends-faint-by-choking-them-challenge or whatever... and should we also allow children on that platform then? Where do you want to draw the line?

They might have started that way, but later realised that this was not the type of platform they wanted to be, so they started taken responsibility and censoring. That's their choice as a privately owned company. I assume they are trying to be responsible for everything, but obviously its physically impossible for them to catch everything at day 0.

The legislation is probably (just like so many others) outdated by the development of technology and don't take into the account the MASSIVE amount of posts and content they should go through every second. This was easy in the old days where a newspaper received a letter and could decide if they wanted to print it or not.

That Zuckerberg et al choose to have rules on their platform does not limit your freedom of speech at all. You can go to any corner, get up on a box and say what you like. In addition the internet is full of places where you can express all of your opinions without censorship as well. Or you can just start your own platform.

 

[ninecows]

I could care less what a politician said

And ivermectin won the Nobel peace prize
“In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.”

But seeing darpa knew about covid back when we were paying to modify it and make it transmissible to humans while increasing its virulence, that same darpa said ivermectin was a great tool to combat it, well that’s saying quite a bit

Now if you were to mention DARPA and their pre “pandemic” findings on ivermectin having great results at fighting covid on any of the big websites it would get it censored and you’d get banned, but saying the big pharma shots would make it so you wouldn’t catch it, couldn’t spread it, or that there were no side effects (all VERY false), that was A OK

Censorship is always always a bad idea, good ideas can withstand debate, it’s the BS and scams that are afraid of the light

I think we will need some good sources for these claims on DARPA. But maybe the big brother censorship have removed those?

 

[seek3r]

I agree for the most part, but Apple did remove my favorite shooting ballistics app from the App Store just because the dev happened to live in Russia…

That wasn’t cool

Outside of the current reasons Apple may have for not wanting to support the Russian economy (I’ll avoid that here since this isnt the politics part of the forum) to avoid fueling Putin’s ridiculous horrific completely unnecessary war in Ukraine it’s worth noting Apple may not have had any choice. At my job we had to put in some blocks based on govt regs recently on Russia

EDIT: realized we are in the politics section

 

[Vref]

I'm not really sure what you're saying here?

Do you want total freedom of speech on said platforms? And Zuckerberg et al should just say: We don't want to limit what people can say on facebook no matter if they're advocating for jihad, overthrowing a democratically elected government, murder, genocide, incest, drugs, make-your-friends-faint-by-choking-them-challenge or whatever... and should we also allow children on that platform then? Where do you want to draw the line?

They might have started that way, but later realised that this was not the type of platform they wanted to be, so they started taken responsibility and censoring. That's their choice as a privately owned company. I assume they are trying to be responsible for everything, but obviously its physically impossible for them to catch everything at day 0.

The legislation is probably (just like so many others) outdated by the development of technology and don't take into the account the MASSIVE amount of posts and content they should go through every second. This was easy in the old days where a newspaper received a letter and could decide if they wanted to print it or not.

That Zuckerberg et al choose to have rules on their platform does not limit your freedom of speech at all. You can go to any corner, get up on a box and say what you like. In addition the internet is full of places where you can express all of your opinions without censorship as well. Or you can just start your own platform.

If someone is saying something illegal call 911

Otherwise if it’s a town square you let them post whatever

Or let go of your section 230 protections and just be a publisher/editor

 

[BaldiMac]

If someone is saying something illegal call 911

Otherwise if it’s a town square you let them post whatever

Or let go of your section 230 protections and just be a publisher/editor

So you're for government censorship and government-compelled speech, but not for private control of their own property. Seems like the opposite values of the rest of your shtick.

 

[Vref]

I think we will need some good sources for these claims on DARPA. But maybe the big brother censorship have removed those?

Here’s a overview, think he’s got links to the leaked documents

Senator Johnson Demands Answers from DoD on Disclosure About COVID-19 Origins and Early Treatment

www.ronjohnson.senate.gov

Otherwise just search covid project defuse