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martinX

macrumors 6502a
Aug 11, 2009
928
162
Australia
I suspect that in service to some customers, some of those customers offer them a tip in appreciation. Apparently, they can't accept any such tip right now.
I suspect no-one offers tips.
This is not about seeking a tip for a simple transactional service like selling a phone. But maybe someone spends 30 minutes to teach someone how to solve some problem or how to use some app features, etc.
That sounds like a Genius appointment. Since there's no fee for that service, there will be no opportunity now, or in the future, to add a tip to $0.
Someone comes in with all of their (subjectively priceless) data apparently lost. An Apple representative is able to figure out that its not really lost and helps them recover it. It's not hard to see that panicked customer perhaps wanting to reward the help with more than just a "thank you."
Again, Genius appointment.
If someone spends some service time at an Apple store teaching me how to do something I can't figure out, it's not like I would naturally NOT be moved to tip for good service either. Is pizza delivery or broken down car help and in-person tech help/services so different that only the former should be OPTIONALLY tip-able? I don't feel that way.
And another Genius appointment.
 

snak-atak

macrumors 6502
Mar 9, 2022
253
787
The type of tipping they’re talking about is not the type of tipping you see at restaurants (traditionally percentage-based). They’re talking about someone giving the salesperson a few bucks because they did a really nice job. They’re not talking about a $200 tip for a $1000 phone purchase lol. Why does everyone keep thinking this?
You can slip them a $10 or $20 today if you want, but making it formal at checkout is totally different. Once they start working for tips or commissions, their pay is now tied to how much they sell and they become salesmen. Maybe not right away, but over time, they will learn the game and try to upsell products that you don't need and pay less attention to everyone else. Eventually, that $10 or $20 tip will mean nothing to them.

Salesmen always have different priorities than hourly employees.
 

antiprotest

macrumors 601
Apr 19, 2010
4,076
14,415
Put the "nobody is forcing you to tip" argument into perspective. Nobody is being physically or legally forced to tip. This is true, and I see nobody claiming that either.

But the tipping culture pushes a narrative of what is socially acceptable or good, and if you don't fall in line with that, you are considered one of the bad guys.

Rather than a reflection of the service received, somehow the tip is a reflection on the customer's character. But it is backfiring, because many people, like myself, have stopped caring. Call me a horrible person, but I don't care.

Whereas social norms have pressured me to care in the past, the pushy tipping culture has now trained me -- liberated me -- to stop caring.

The "nobody is forcing you to tip" argument is a red herring.
 

newyorksole

macrumors 603
Apr 2, 2008
5,125
6,432
New York.
Why is everybody up in arms about this? Nobody is forcing you to tip. I do think that requesting a percentage of a huge purchase is a little much, but what if it were $1, $3, and enter-your-own?

Are Apple employees allowed to accept cash tips? I used to work retail and occasionally somebody would try to tip me, which wasn’t allowed by the company.

If they’re are supposed to refuse tips, then I think that should be changed.
no one is forcing anyone to tip anywhere, but people definitely feel taken aback about seeing the tip option everywhere. some even feel obligated enough to add the tip (not me tho because uhh nope).

some employees are also snarky / give an attitude if $0 is selected. you can visibly hear/see their demeanor change.

I worked at Apple Retail for a while and I kept every single tip I ever got 😂. never got caught by management. I would always refuse at least twice, but then I would accept it and pocket it.

apparently we weren’t allowed or it would have to go to the managers. yeah right!
 

cupcakes2000

macrumors 68040
Apr 13, 2010
3,896
5,315
Such a challenge to live in the ‘free world’. You should come and try life with us ‘socialist’ muppets over here. Get paid properly, get benefits, can get tipped without a scandal. You know we can even walk into a hospital and get looked after for free when we’re sick. It’s pretty tough but we manage. We even have unions who help workers get better pay from faceless companies without random internet warriors inexplicably deriding the option.
 

GizmoDVD

macrumors 68030
Oct 11, 2008
2,603
5,038
SoCal
When my dog passes I will absolutely be taking at least a couple days, probably a week honestly, of PTO. I’ll be a wreck and not in any condition to be good choice to touch production systems and I know it. I’m lucky enough that at my job, and any likely future job I move to in my end of things, I get lots of PTO, so I dont need extra for that, but most folks arent so lucky, so I get it
So you also need 45 days for your dog?
 

KanosWRX

macrumors 6502
Jul 14, 2008
423
417
F That!! Too many people want tips these days!! Do your job get paid.. Why can't we be more like Europe in this sense!! I swear everywhere I go someone wants a tip for literally doing their job.

Most those other things are insane as well.. no one should get bereavement for a damn pet!!! This is crazy, fire them!
 

newyorksole

macrumors 603
Apr 2, 2008
5,125
6,432
New York.
I suspect no-one offers tips.

That sounds like a Genius appointment. Since there's no fee for that service, there will be no opportunity now, or in the future, to add a tip to $0.

Again, Genius appointment.

And another Genius appointment.
I was going to quote their post with the same comments as you.

the ONLY way it would work for Genius Bar is if a repair was done and they have to pay or if they have to sign to pickup their device (and a tip option would show even if total is $0.)

but yeah… very unlikely for the GB and would be weird to see something implemented solely to tip them.
 

MallardDuck

macrumors 68000
Jul 21, 2014
1,600
2,949
If they want tips, then Apple should cut them to the tipped wage, and cut list prices of the devices sold there an equivalent amount. Want to be paid like a waiter? Then be paid like a waiter.

Otherwise, nope. Won’t shop there. Tipping expectations are vastly out of whack these days. What’s next? Tipping at the grocery store meat counter?
 

aParkerMusic

macrumors 6502
Dec 20, 2021
346
869
You can slip them a $10 or $20 today if you want, but making it formal at checkout is totally different. Once they start working for tips or commissions, their pay is now tied to how much they sell and they become salesmen. Maybe not right away, but over time, they will learn the game and try to upsell products that you don't need and pay less attention to everyone else. Eventually, that $10 or $20 tip will mean nothing to them.

Salesmen always have different priorities than hourly employees.
I agree, having a tip screen during checkout would be insane!
 

RalfTheDog

macrumors 68020
Feb 23, 2010
2,115
1,869
Lagrange Point
You can slip them a $10 or $20 today if you want, but making it formal at checkout is totally different. Once they start working for tips or commissions, their pay is now tied to how much they sell and they become salesmen. Maybe not right away, but over time, they will learn the game and try to upsell products that you don't need and pay less attention to everyone else. Eventually, that $10 or $20 tip will mean nothing to them.

Salesmen always have different priorities than hourly employees.
If the sales person shows me an option that costs me less money, I would tend to tip more.
 
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