Wouldn’t be the first time the Air weighed more than a non-Air product— case in point, MacBook Air 13” vs. MacBook 12” (2.7 lbs vs. 2 lbs.). 😁
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12.9-Inch iPad Air Now Rumored to Feature Mini-LED Display
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My iPad Pro with Mini LED does not flicker. It’s one of the best display’s I’ve seen.
Blooming is rarely visible. The mini-LED screen is vastly superior, I’ve tested the two generations of iPad Pro side by side, one with mini-LED, other with regular LCD and the difference is night and day.
Yep. I'm somewhat of a mini-LED 'hater' in that I do notice the static blooming and clouds following video content around in some instances. But I would still take it over vanilla LED's silver rectangle look any day of the week. Conventionally backlit LED's total inability to reproduce anything even approaching zero luminance black completely destroys the image. Coming from mini-LED, or better still OLED, it's borderline unwatchable for the first few days and actually looks broken.
If those numbers are correct it wouldn’t even be fast enough for 30 Hz. What’s the point in refreshing the screen up to 120 Hz then?
Good news. It means that if apple ruin the iPad pro with an island I can still upgrade my ancient iPad to the Air.
Completely black room? Who works like that? I believe photos cannot be used to document blooming. Too much post processing.
Honestly there is nothing “Pro” about Promotion 120hz, especially when midrange Samsung Galaxy/ Android devices have these screens as “standard”.
In 2024 Apple lexicon, Pro now means little more than Prohibitively expensive. I mean they even sell a MacBook Pro Not-Pro for goodness sake 🤦♂️
I am quite happy to read this news, and my 1st.-gen. iPad Pro can finally get retirement. I just need an iPad with large display & affordable price but the horsepower is not my concern. if the price of the new iPad Air 12'9 (as rumored) is not that high, then i will order it on day-1.
I was set to buy another 12.9 when those first came out. Then I saw the reported repair costs and decided to go with the traditional screen on the 11".
Oddly enough, this could be the perfect product for me.
I'm in search of a tablet to take my concepting/sketching into the digital realm, but I'd appreciate being able to watch content in decent hdr (not as good as OLED, but still).
I don't need the pro features, such as the double camera, lidar, prores recording and whatnot.
I'm in search of a tablet to take my concepting/sketching into the digital realm, but I'd appreciate being able to watch content in decent hdr (not as good as OLED, but still).
I don't need the pro features, such as the double camera, lidar, prores recording and whatnot.
Same. Having ProMotion on my iPhone, iPad and MacBook has been great and I couldn't imagine going back to 60Hz on any of them. If these are in fact the exact same panels as the current 12.9" iPad and Apple goes out of their way to strip them of the ProMotion feature just to upsell you one of the Pros, then that would go down as their pettiest move yet imo
The image smudges and gets increasingly worse after 26 fps. By the time its at 120 fps, its a blur. The 120Hz function is almost pointless. Almost. The main benefit that remains is that motion blur at 120Hz still feels smoother than 60Hz. That's usually what people are remarking about when they say they love the 120Hz. Those people have never seen a gaming monitor so they don't know that 120 fps is supposed to add clarity to motion.
In 2 years we will get OLED on MacBook Pros with a pixel response that is usually less than 1 ms—and thus images will finally be smooth AND crystal clear at 120Hz—making moving and animated content easy to track. I cannot wait.
Apple TV 4K is currently capped at 60Hz but I suspect the upcoming one will support 4K @ 120Hz. My speculating—but it seems obvious that Apple is shooting MLS at 120 fps and will then stream it at 120fps via Apple TV and MacBook Pro. Sports is one obvious use case for showing off why a fast monitor matters.
You can even see an example of this with black frame insertion (or OLED Motion LG now call it) on 120hz OLED panels running 60hz content, and OLEDs are already lighting quick to begin with. The inserted alternating frame effectively eliminates the persistence of the previous frame before displaying a new one. The result is still 60hz of actual displayed content but the clarity of motion is next level.
Agreed.
I am curious how Apple will handle the sample-and-hold effect or persistence. I think modern OLED TVs allow you to adjust back into it a motion blur. Is that black frame insertion or something else? And one can control Low, Med and High, right?
This is all taken care of by the awesome image processors that LG, Samsung and Sony are using. What is Apple going to do exactly?
That's custom settings for the frame interpolation that aims to smooth 24p content by literally creating new frames. I believe judder and blur are independently adjustable. BFI is a separate motion control and is only available with 60fps source input.
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This is something that could convince me to get an Air over the Pro. That's how important the display is.
Well, the same thing is true of the MacBooks, but probably won't be until 2030 that we see an MBA with mini-LED...
Well, the same thing is true of the MacBooks, but probably won't be until 2030 that we see an MBA with mini-LED...
I agree on both your points. I am a high refresh rate snob (love my FPS games) so 60hz is a non-starter even for productivity/desktop-like use. I also think Apple will strip out the 120hz capabiltity of these displays as they are the king of petty moves.
Because it looks way smoother than a 60Hz screen. Unless you’re on these forums, here special rules of physics apply.