Oh boy!!! A3 now. That's great! First sighting of the 3rd revision of this panel. This is looking good.
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Can you please tell us what the manufacturer date of this mac is? CoconutBattery provides this information.
Thanks for the ICC profile. Confirming that it doesnt fix any ghosting for me (panel version in my sig).
There's no ghosting in video as far as I can tell, and the scrolling is far from "horrific." Honestly, I feel like way too much is being made of this. I can put my 2009, 2014 and 2016 MBPs side by side with the 16" and not see a noticeable difference in how the screens perform, so I really don't get why people are treating this as a huge issue with the 16". Now, you can certain make the argument that the 16" should have a better screen with a higher refresh rate for what it costs, but I don't buy the idea that it's suddenly so much worse that what came before it.
No ghosting for me. At least, the screen does not annoy me while scrolling up and down. Wouldn't notice anything if I didn't read Macrumors
Is my display one of the earliest ones to be produced ? Manufacture date also looks early.
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LP160WT1-SJA1
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12/02 manufacture date. 4th unit after I discovered the hinge on the 3rd one would make noises occasionally
this one’s a keeper though.Experiencing fairly severe ghosting on a default config i9 (manufactured: 2019-09-23, display: LP160WT1-SJA2).
As others have noted, the problem seems to be worse when the display is 'cold' (first use of the day, etc.), or ambient temps are low.
As someone who spends a lot of time coding in dark mode, this flaw is an unfortunate dealbreaker for an otherwise great machine, and I'll be returning it this weekend.
In my case, it is certainly a noticeable degradation in response rate from the 2015 15" MBP I've used for the last 4 years.
I think there is some validity to the idea that some people will be more sensitive than others to variations in response rate. The other monitor I use regularly is 240hz/1ms, so I'm probably more likely to notice and be bothered by such differences.
That said, with the 2015 15", it never once crossed my mind that I was using a lower refresh/response rate display.
With the 16", it was immediately apparent.
As others have noted, the problem seems to be worse when the display is 'cold' (first use of the day, etc.), or ambient temps are low.
As someone who spends a lot of time coding in dark mode, this flaw is an unfortunate dealbreaker for an otherwise great machine, and I'll be returning it this weekend.
In my case, it is certainly a noticeable degradation in response rate from the 2015 15" MBP I've used for the last 4 years.
I think there is some validity to the idea that some people will be more sensitive than others to variations in response rate. The other monitor I use regularly is 240hz/1ms, so I'm probably more likely to notice and be bothered by such differences.
That said, with the 2015 15", it never once crossed my mind that I was using a lower refresh/response rate display.
With the 16", it was immediately apparent.
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So the only reason I have yet to upgrade my 2015 MBP to the new 16" is due to the ghosting issue.
Has Apple released any info about getting this fixed? Is there a chance of a fixed model coming out in the next few months?
Has Apple released any info about getting this fixed? Is there a chance of a fixed model coming out in the next few months?
Just thought I'd had some info, I have the LP160WT1-SJA2 panel and like I said I also don't notice extreme ghosting at all, just a slower screen compared to my 144hz gaming monitor, obviously.
When scrolling in this thread, I can read the text assuming I don't go fast, it'll be slightly blurry but absolutely readable.
Manufacturing date 02/12.
When scrolling in this thread, I can read the text assuming I don't go fast, it'll be slightly blurry but absolutely readable.
Manufacturing date 02/12.
I have the SJA2 panel with the manufacturing date of 11/11 and I notice a good amount of ghosting (seems to be most noticeable if you open the settings menu in dark mode and slowly drag around the screen).
The macbook has been left in a cold basement overnight (55 degrees), will this permanently worsen the ghosting or does the temperature change only temporarily affect the refresh rate? Wondering if I should return and get a new model.
The macbook has been left in a cold basement overnight (55 degrees), will this permanently worsen the ghosting or does the temperature change only temporarily affect the refresh rate? Wondering if I should return and get a new model.
A4! Good. I am about to order. Please let us know how your machine works
(If you order directly from Apple.com it will be the very latest. Not stocked. Correct my if I am wrong)
In my case, it says my config can be delivered tomorrow (it’s the 32gb/2tb one they sell in stores) so not sure if that means latest (doesn’t sound like it)
Well I have Waited to purchase, and just been to view the 16 MPB in our local uk electrical store Currys. even the windows bow and distort when dragging them around!!
I have a 2012 retina and I have to say the store model is 5 times worse and it’s sickening to look at, are they all like it? It reminded me of the old TN screens from years back!
so glad I held off I was pretty shocked at the low response time of the 16.
I have a 2012 retina and I have to say the store model is 5 times worse and it’s sickening to look at, are they all like it? It reminded me of the old TN screens from years back!
so glad I held off I was pretty shocked at the low response time of the 16.
So I have tried both dark mode and light mode. Scrolling text seems fine to me, a slight amount maybe of ghosting in dark mode but nothing that bothers me. It is more pronounced dragging windows around in dark mode in a circle. The thing is though I am sat next to a 2019 5K iMac and it is no different to that.
Thanks! Does the white text on black bgnd in this forum “bleed” like wet paint for instance as u smooth scroll at Med speed?
Glad u r finding it ok when comparing with a desktop Mac because the desktop macs did not have this problem at all to my eyes when I checked at the store.
Hello from Czech, i have LP160WT1-SJA2 with little ghosting (before i have 13"2016 without ghosting and with better bright i think). I thinking about return my laptop and wait for next display revision too...
Can Badsimian make some test (ufotest atc...)a dn post screens/video for confrime the rev.4 of displeys is good and ghosting is gone.
Thx
Can Badsimian make some test (ufotest atc...)a dn post screens/video for confrime the rev.4 of displeys is good and ghosting is gone.
Thx
see some post from first, second, atc. pages of this thread. You can use ufotest.com (select ghosting test) and make photo with phone, or you can record video (slowmo is best for capture ghosting level).
UFO and drag tests
Both ufo and dragging test. The dragging test is a 240fps taken with an iPhone 11. I have seen models in shops and I would say they look worse than mine does and mine is comparable with the iMac 2019 I have here as well.
There is also a topic about ghosting on apple discussion site:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250934758
I hope Apple will give a note shortly.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250934758
I hope Apple will give a note shortly.
I posted this earlier and am going to post it again. That's going to occur with any camera when you take a photo like that. The camera is going to pick up blurred artifacts because the transition happens to fast for it to capture. I can do that with literally any screen and it will look the same. The level of blur is going to depend on the point at which you snapped the photo. If it was during the fastest part of the transition the blur will be more.
Here is my wife's MacBook Air. I guess it has ghosting too?
And my iMac 5K is also Ghosting I guess:
And our iPad Pro with ProMotion display also has ghosts:
And I don't know why anyone cares what a screen looks like in slow motion. You don't look at your screen in slow motion and EVERY screen is going to show some blur when you watch it slowed down.
Someone posted that they see some ghosting when they quickly drag the settings screen around in dark mode? Ok, at what point are you doing that every day to a level that you are going to let it bother you?
This is very similar to the iPhone threads where someone swears up and down they have a yellowish oled screen. Return after return with pictures posted and then they finally get one with a different manufacturing date and are convinced that because it was manufactured later that its fixed. They have pictures to prove it, unfortunately the photos only show that their screen looks exactly like the 5 previous models they had before.
I'm not one to usually complain about minor panel defects but the ghosting on mine is annoying noticeable, especially when scrolling on forums like this, it looks significantly worse to me than my Late 2013 15" MacBook Pro.
First revision of the panel.
First revision of the panel.
Agree. I have checked 2 more MBP 16"s and they are not even close. I have scrolling and moving windows on MBP 16, my 2015 15" and my 2013 13". No big differens at all. In fact I found the 16" screen very responsive. When you really looking hard on white text on black you found it a bit more blurry. Or maybe not. Returning home, testing 15" and 13". I found it almost identical blurry-wise.
My conclusion, after several days interesting readings and testing, is that we are dealing with bad batches (software or hardware. Or a combination).
1. For those that have already bought bad MBPs: send them back to Apple ASAP.
2. For those that have already bought good MBPs: be happy.
3. For those that have not yet bought a MBP: wait 4-6 weeks.
For category 3 gays I would order a MBP via apple.com. When I ordered my latest MBP and ordered two for my office, they came directly from China with a tracking numbers. Very quick delivery. If I remember right 4-5 days. This minimize the risk of old stored MBPs.
Interesting note:
On the Apple site they say: delivery 17 Dec. Then, when you start to get closer to the checkout, delivery change to 9 Jan - 13 Jan. (I conducted this test 2 minutes ago)
17 dec is standard configuration
9 Jan - 13 Jan is when you change GPU memory from 4 to 8 GB. This MBP will be setup for you in China. i.e brand new.
Anecdote: If your brand new Electrolux refrigerator starts to make irritating noises you replace it with a new one. You don't buy an other brand because you know that Electrolux is the best.