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Any news about the Macbook Pro Nvidia GPU lag yet?
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Its clearly because they moved the window server onto metal... It would be nice if they offered the option to use the old window server on older machines...
Spoke to Apple phone support yesterday about this issue yesterday. I have a late 2013 -> 16GB RAM, Core i7. And the 'senior advisor' I spoke to was honestly trying to convince me that my machine was just 'old' and that sometimes older machines can't keep up with the advances of the new operating system. You can't make this stuff up.
What the fock! I'm starting to be very angry. I have MacBook Pro 15" mid 2014 in configuration, that flies on macOS 10.12.6 and I don't understeand, why I need to switch to newer model. I still have warranty on my model!
No. Everything is fine untul discrete graphic being used. At least for me.
So what would make high sierra on a laptop that age so laggy compared to say a stock 09 mac pro with say a 512MB GT120? I ran high sierra just fine on one of those. I will admit it was only using a 1080 screen at the time.
For testing purpose, is it possible for you to try 540P HiDPI on your GT120? Or even force it to run at 1080P HiDPI. Just to make sure it’s not HiDPI (or 4k scaling) related.
I am not able to right this very second but will see what I can do when I am able.
When I tried to install I got a popup saying it was incompatible and wouldn't let me proceed.
[doublepost=1513759640][/doublepost]also I installed CUDA Driver Version: 387.99 released 12/8. restarted my comp and got a message saying update required but no update available :/
edit: Im on 10.13.2. I dont know why I mess with things when I don't know what Im doing
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another edit: all issues resolved.
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Is installing those CUDA drivers even necessary? Unless you're going to be running specialised CUDA-powered applications (like those listed here, not exactly your end-user apps https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/gpu-accelerated-applications/catalog/) I don't really see the point?
I see photoshop is mentioned there. So there might be a point
If you don't need any new functions in HS, better stay at Sierra
The latest nvidia web drivers seem to have done the trick for me. I'm running 2 4k externals in clam shell mode, scaled to 2560x1440 at home, and a single 4k scaled to 3008x1692 at work + the internal display at 1680x1050. In the 3 or 4 weeks since I updated to the newest driver, the machine has only crashed once, but i suspect was because i put machine to sleep w/o disconnecting external monitors, the reconnected different monitors (set at different res) before waking it up. Whenever I change external monitor configs (going from home office to work office or vice versa), as long as i disconnect the monitors, let the machine switch to the iris pro before putting it sleep, then do the reverse when connecting different monitors, it seems to be fine.
This is largely a developer machine... eclipse, webstorm, chrome, safari, amazon music, terminal, mysql, etc. Previously webstorm (intellij) always seemed to be the culprit. I don't have anything that requires cuda, so have not installed those, so can't speak to them.
Through istat menu, I can see that gpu memory still almost always runs close to max, but the diff is that it looks like garbage collection is actually happening now. I suspect the old drivers had garbage collection issues, and when the memory was maxed, it croaked.
Late 2013 mbp 15 retina 2.6 i7
macOS 10.13.2
GT750m
Iris Pro 1536
NVIDIA Web Driver: 378.10.10.10.25.102
Hope this helps.
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After 2 weeks of testing. My Mac is fine, but I still suspect HiDPI is the issue. Once I go HiDPI, my Mac can use up to 80% VRAM under normal desktop environment (with few Finder and browser Windows opened). By considering my 1080Ti has 11GB VRAM, my Mac survived, but for normal Mac, if the system demand this kind of VRAM, sure something will goes wrong (e.g. demand system RAM to "fill" the missing VRAM. The WindowServer bug???), or lag, hang, crash, etc.
P.S. After this 2 weeks testing, I decide go back to the normal non HiDPI resolution. Because
1) abnormal VRAM demand
2) occasionally 0.1-0.2 second lag when entering Mission Control
3) Apps windows cannot resume it's original position after reboot
4) overall not as smooth as non HiDPI (not sure if Apple didn't design to use HiDPI in 144Hz. It's actually feel like 144Hz vs 60Hz)
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I have 15" MBP late 2013, and similar problems with an external 1920x1200 display connected with TB2 --> Displayport. One screen only, everything works like butter, but when second display is connected, Mac is more or less laggy, and prone to crash or jam. WindowServer is running above 30% quite often.
I some times feel, that I should disable the Nvidia for good, but so far I have not tried it. Nvidia Metal drivers are buggy.
I some times feel, that I should disable the Nvidia for good, but so far I have not tried it. Nvidia Metal drivers are buggy.
I will try it with 10.13.3 beta 3, because I need to upgrade to High sierra again because of service diagnostics. I contacted Apple support already and they forward me to local repair service. And finaly local service write to me, that it is not HW problem, so Apple need to fix it . Circle is closed .
. Circle is closed .I downgraded tot Sierra with clean install. Everything is fine now.. No High Sierra for me until Apple fixes this.
I also downgraded to Sierra after running High Sierra for a few days only. Machine is a Late 2013 Macbook Pro with Nvidia GT 750M. It's connected to a LG 32UD99-W (4k) monitor. Whereas upgrading the Nvidia driver to 378.10.10.10.25.102 helped a lot I was still bothered by lags kicking in suddenly. Downgrading to Sierra helped but it has similar problems too whereas not as much as in High Sierra. Switching resolution or openicng/closing the laptop lid usually helps.
Here are some numbers I collected using GFXBench Metal 3.1.6 with different configurations. Sierra with default driver is the winner but High Sierra with 378.10.10.10.25.102 is not that far:
![GFXBench Metal - Sierra vs. High Sierra.png]( "GFXBench Metal - Sierra vs. High Sierra.png")
Here are some numbers I collected using GFXBench Metal 3.1.6 with different configurations. Sierra with default driver is the winner but High Sierra with 378.10.10.10.25.102 is not that far:
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This is horrible. I have the same issue and it hasn't been resolved.
Sierra ran perfectly fine.
Everyone please email Federighi and Tim and complain. They listen!
federighi@apple.com
tcook@apple.com
Sierra ran perfectly fine.
Everyone please email Federighi and Tim and complain. They listen!
federighi@apple.com
tcook@apple.com
