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Apple CEO Tim Cook Writes Letter to U.S. Senate Supporting Strong Privacy Legislation
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I want strong consumer data protection. But,
1. Cook might think Apple would benefit from “privacy” legislation. Competitors, especially those who rely on selling consumer data, may have to make costly changes. So it might not be about privacy but disadvantaging competition.
2. Any privacy legislation will have all sorts of loopholes.
3. Any privacy legislation likely won’t be enforced or enforceable. Sure, maybe the Justice Department will occasionally get a judgment resulting in a fine, but the fine will be paid to the government, not to the harmed consumers.
4. Passing something called privacy legislation placates people and causes them to drop their guard. HIPPA is a good example. Hospitals may fire the occasional nurse for accessing records he shouldn’t, but the executives freely sell your data. And the government can get access it whenever it wants. Your family, friends, and clergy can’t find out what room you are in at the hospital, yet people think HIPPA protects them.
1. Cook might think Apple would benefit from “privacy” legislation. Competitors, especially those who rely on selling consumer data, may have to make costly changes. So it might not be about privacy but disadvantaging competition.
2. Any privacy legislation will have all sorts of loopholes.
3. Any privacy legislation likely won’t be enforced or enforceable. Sure, maybe the Justice Department will occasionally get a judgment resulting in a fine, but the fine will be paid to the government, not to the harmed consumers.
4. Passing something called privacy legislation placates people and causes them to drop their guard. HIPPA is a good example. Hospitals may fire the occasional nurse for accessing records he shouldn’t, but the executives freely sell your data. And the government can get access it whenever it wants. Your family, friends, and clergy can’t find out what room you are in at the hospital, yet people think HIPPA protects them.
Well, it does take almost a full minute to change your search engine, and this makes it hard for Alphabet to claim Apple doesn’t let them play.
If YOU care about privacy, YOU can change it. This is unlike a large number of other things where the developers try to conceal what they are tracking and fight/sue to keep you from being able to protect yourself.
Said this before, does the internet change if apples $0 from google? $1? $8B dollars?
Does it change? I don't believe it does. I think it's more a perception problem. Apple likes to champion itself as a "Privacy First" company and regularly points out the differences between themselves and others.
A frequent target of that is Google. Google has indeed had many privacy blunders and therein lies the problem.
It makes it look like Apple is talking the talk but not walking the walk. Castigating them on one hand for their privacy blunders but gladly taking their money to be the default search engine when there are others out there with a more proven track record (Duck Duck Go).
Got it, however I disagree. I don’t see any perception issue whatsoever. People can type in googles’ web address into the address bar, and can change their default search engine. Google is not the only browser that can be used on iOS.
That apple castigates google is fair game.
Is there a pretense iCloud private relay for safari and mail doesn’t exist? To me that’s better than other privacy tooks.
Please explain the issue here?
maybe you can also learn to read the difference between device and icloud... icloud is not end to end encrypted, it can be read by apple
it's not sorta, it's just not end to end encryptedWell, sorta, sorta not.
iCloud data security overview - Apple Support
iCloud uses strong security methods, employs strict policies to protect your information, and leads the industry in using privacy-preserving security technologies like end-to-end encryption for your data.support.apple.com
And in those cases where iCloud is not E2E encrypted does the buzzword "end to end" actually mean anything there. If I'm storing data on Apple's servers does the concept of E2E even make sense? If I encrypt something on my device, store it there, and then decrypt it with Apple never getting the keys I guess that's end to end because Apple can't see it, right?
if you back up "notes" to icloud, apple can read them
if it was end to end encrypted they wouldn't be able to read them
pretty simple
Oh absolutely it's fair game and they should castigate them & especially Facebook. As much as I may criticize Apple they're still eons ahead of both of them and are a company I do trust with my data despite a blip here or there
Until Apple formally and publicly kills the hare-brained scheme to scan local devices for CSAM, Cook's letter just sounds like crass hypocrisy. Shame on him, and shame on Apple.
And for those of you who point out that I can vote with my wallet. I was ready to update my phone, iPad and laptop at the end of the COVID lockdown because I had money saved up for that purpose. Regrettably, Apple has been silent on the issue so I have not, and will not, purchase any Apple product until they kill the Orwellian CSAM system. I still have those savings, though, and I have been holding out in the hope that Apple will see reason. I can probably last until the end of summer, but after that it looks like LINUX in my future.
And for those of you who point out that I can vote with my wallet. I was ready to update my phone, iPad and laptop at the end of the COVID lockdown because I had money saved up for that purpose. Regrettably, Apple has been silent on the issue so I have not, and will not, purchase any Apple product until they kill the Orwellian CSAM system. I still have those savings, though, and I have been holding out in the hope that Apple will see reason. I can probably last until the end of summer, but after that it looks like LINUX in my future.
People on here:
“Waaa waaa waaa Apple doesn’t completely end to end encrypt all data on iCloud.”
Apple comes up with a solution with CSAM.
“Waaaa waaa waaa, my privacy is being invaded.”
“Waaa waaa waaa Apple doesn’t completely end to end encrypt all data on iCloud.”
Apple comes up with a solution with CSAM.
“Waaaa waaa waaa, my privacy is being invaded.”
Not at all. Implementing that would allow them to enable full end to end for all iCloud data.
Do you realize that every country (including the U.S.) have laws on the books that violate their own citizens' privacy? And every country has a slightly different interpretation of individual and data privacy. Many countries are requiring iCloud data to be restricted within their own borders, not just China. You're asking for an ideal world that will never exist. Apple chooses to operate in as many territories as they legally can.
Oh my.
What is the point of encryption if it does not guarantee privacy? Some human can look at your pictures without warning, notification, judicial review, a warrant or redress because of false positives from an untested easily defeated machine alogorithm, but, hey, everything is encrypted.
If this could do anything to help enact change and help our polititians create laws that codify online protections, then wonderful. So long as our government also follows the laws they create...
I think you are the only one that is naive. Apple cares way more about $$$ than privacy. They sold the Chinese people out to gain access to their markets. If I lived in China, there is NO WAY I would use iMessage or iCloud.