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Stella

macrumors G3
Apr 21, 2003
8,850
6,356
Canada
Don't you think that if employee's pay rises to match that of rents, the cost of rent will rise further?

If the root problem is lack of housing, nothing is going to help the issue except tackling the core problem head on - and that is building more accommodation. Anything else is just dancing around the issue.

I honestly think it's just because companies avoid scaling up salaries and people collectively aren't demanding better pay.
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Kids look at that and hate capitalism while turn their eye away from Venezuela.

There's a vast difference... night and day. Apples and Oranges.
 
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needsomecoffee

macrumors 6502
May 6, 2008
450
1,008
Seattle
When Seattle had to close all but one lane of I-5 northbound into the city a few years ago to fix expansion joints, the ultimate carmegeddon was predicted. City, county and private industries all planned for employees to work remotely (primarily) and adjust schedules. Amazingly traffic was lighter than normal during this time. Recent studies have shown that remote workers can out-produce those at offices. Rather than commit billions to try to solve a housing problem created by CA's and SF's policies, Apple would have a much greater impact committing to finding/proving how optimizing remote work solutions. The housing crisis exists because of dinosaur beliefs that everyone has to commute to the mother spaceships each day.
 

Substance90

macrumors 6502a
Oct 13, 2011
517
816
Hmm, Apple actually doing something good for humanity with that big pile of cash. There might be hope after all.
 

ghanwani

macrumors 601
Dec 8, 2008
4,629
5,813
The homeless problem did not arise because of a lack of funds. It’s a symptom of policy errors. So Apple’s helping hand isn’t going to address anything. It’s like treating the fever without treating the underlying cancer.
 

an-other

macrumors 6502
Aug 12, 2011
364
148
The idea is to improve brand image and reduce the number of people buying non-Apple products just because they hate Apple as a company.

Sales of iPhones are dwarfed by sales of Android phones, and sales of Macs are dwarfed by sales of PCs. Apple needs to do something to win those people over if they’re to continue growing.

Increasing prices only decreases marketshare.

If you don’t think this tactic will work, you don’t have to own shares of AAPL. Feel free to sell - the price is at its all time high now, so if you think it’ll be going down, no reason you wouldn’t sell.

Please explain the correlation of sales to profitability.
 

theluggage

macrumors 604
Jul 29, 2011
7,553
7,476
The problem with lowering housing prices is that it would screw over everyone that currently owns a house.

No, the problem with lowering house prices is that it would be bad news for everyone that currently owns more than one house (or has property-backed investments), has used the equity on their house to borrow money for other things.

The majority of people who own a house need it to live in and, if they sell it, will need the money to buy another house. Even if they die and leave the house to their children, a major use of that money is to buy a house or pay off a mortgage.

We saw this in the last housing crash where prices dropped and people owed more than the house was worth.

The flaw there is the one-sided way mortgages work, allowing the banks to rake in interest while the householder bears most of the risk of a property price fall - which leaves them free to promote irresponsible house price inflation by lending more money (oh, and then making even more money by making loans to home owners based on their growing equity). That's bad even without the sort of insane money games that triggered the banking crisis. In that case, house prices crashed across the board mainly because the banks panicked and stopped lending money.

You cure the housing crisis by increasing the supply of houses or reducing the demand by making rental more attractive (which it won't be when even the landlords don't own their property and expect tenants to pay their mortgage for them plus a profit margin). Or price control (but that's a can of worms). Helping people get mortgages is just throwing more fuel on the fire by driving up prices.
 

DVD9

macrumors 6502a
Feb 18, 2010
817
581
"$50 million to support Destination: Home's efforts to address homelessness "

Absolute rubbish.

The only solution to the homeless problem is to build apartments and put the homeless in them. Everyone knows that's the only solution.
 

jonnyb098

macrumors 601
Nov 16, 2010
4,047
5,742
Michigan
When are people going to realize California doesn't have a housing crisis IT HAS A DRUG CRISIS. Gavin Newsom is an incompetent hack.

Those of us in Michigan know how 'well' the revitalize Detroit project is going. HAH
 

nikaru

macrumors 65816
Apr 23, 2009
1,123
1,396
Gotta get those housing prices down... Maybe Apple should move their HQ to a state other than California which has lower housing prices and taxes. I am sure many other states and communities would greatly desire Apple to move there and would give them all kinds of tax breaks and incentives to relocate.
US states competiting for companies with tax breaks and incentives is absolutly absurd practice. In Europe any form of state aid through ad hoc tax allowances, deductions or credits is forbidden so that a state cant offer tax breaks and incentives to a specific company, but rather to everyone in order to be legal. This way, companies invest where it most make sense from a business perspective and not from a pure tax point of view. Currently, big tech companies are blackmailing state governments to reduce their tax burden or they would move their offices to anther state which in turns offers heavy tax break to attract such company. At the end, this company is not paying any taxes regardless of its location.
 

DVD9

macrumors 6502a
Feb 18, 2010
817
581
I think $2.5 billion in U-haul rentals ought to clean up the California homeless problem.

I look forward to the day when we have a real government of the American people and the NSA discovers your comment and you get the knock at the door and ten years in a work camp for being a "Bloodsucking Enemy of the People".

WORK MAKES YOU FREE
 

chucker23n1

macrumors G3
Dec 7, 2014
8,604
11,405
US states competiting for companies with tax breaks and incentives is absolutly absurd practice. In Europe any form of state aid through ad hoc tax allowances, deductions or credits is forbidden

Uh, what.

A company getting a tax break in return for settling on a particular town is common (and problematic) practice in Germany.
 
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IPPlanMan

macrumors 6502
Dec 25, 2009
365
1,483
Literal pepe account here to promote some variation of the "immigrants drive down wages" myth. America is a big rich country with lots of room. Any problems it has are very little to do with illegal immigrants.

Do you have room in your home? Just asking.

Also, stop purposefully conflating Legal Immigrants with Illegal Immigrants. You know you're doing it. I know you're doing it.
 

nikaru

macrumors 65816
Apr 23, 2009
1,123
1,396
I’d like an affordable penthouse on Central Park south.
I think the issue is quite real. The amount of homless people you see on the streets in California is beyond normal. There are people earnings 100k$ a year leaving in basements or tiny sheared rooms. Pathetic.
 

IPPlanMan

macrumors 6502
Dec 25, 2009
365
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The idea is to improve brand image and reduce the number of people buying non-Apple products just because they hate Apple as a company.

Sales of iPhones are dwarfed by sales of Android phones, and sales of Macs are dwarfed by sales of PCs. Apple needs to do something to win those people over if they’re to continue growing.

Increasing prices only decreases marketshare.

If you don’t think this tactic will work, you don’t have to own shares of AAPL. Feel free to sell - the price is at its all time high now, so if you think it’ll be going down, no reason you wouldn’t sell.

He's allowed to have a different opinion without selling his stock. Jeez. :rolleyes:
 
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DVD9

macrumors 6502a
Feb 18, 2010
817
581
Kids look at that and hate capitalism while turn their eye away from Venezuela.

Venezuela didn't look like that before the crash of oil prices and sanctions.

You probably want to tax the homeless in this country but you won't admit to it.
 

nikaru

macrumors 65816
Apr 23, 2009
1,123
1,396
Uh, what.

A company getting a tax break in return for settling on a particular town is common (and problematic) practice in Germany.
As I said, these tax breaks are for everyone and only limitted to local taxes (e.g. real estate tax) where a specific municipaliy can lower the tax rate for specific kind of real estate property but has to offer this exact rate to any other company having similar or identifical real estate property. There is a big difference how this system works in the US, where a company is granted a specific exemption including in respect of its income tax liability let alone net worth, real estate or other indirect taxes.
 

ksnell

macrumors 6502a
Aug 26, 2012
721
1,222
To those who say capitalism does not work, here is a great example of capitalism picking up the slack where leftist policies have failed.

Bonus: These dollars will be spent by private organizations, so you know they will be used much more efficiently than if they were just given to the government.
 
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