Apple Permanently Closes North Carolina Store After Multiple Shooting Incidents

[FriendlyMackle]

hero-ends-church-shooting-texas "Kelley, [the shooter] who Texas denied a gun permit"

And yet, somehow I remember reading numerous articles about that incident in the scary ‘ole “MSM” of the New York Times and others. These things are covered in the media.

Fox ‘news’ is the most watched ‘news’-adjacent network in the USA, are they ALSO ignoring pro-gun ‘hero’ incidents even though they fully support all things right-wing?

This is a false narrative which is geared more to gun fanatics wanting (somehow) to be considered ‘victims’ of society. No one has actually taken away your gun rights…as is well evidenced by the many mass slaughters we have seen year-on-year for the past 30 years with legal guns. And it is only getting worse. Just by entering states like Texas, a person’s life expectancy drops by 2 years (for a number of reasons, including the proliferation of guns and murder by guns).
Similarly, entering California (and staying there) will increase your life expectancy on average by 2 years (again, for a variety of reasons, but mostly relating to environmental, social, and other regulatory safeguards).

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Similarly, entering California (and staying there) will increase your life expectancy on average by 2 years (again, for a variety of reasons, but mostly relating to environmental, social, and other regulatory safeguards).

Ah yes, the state where people literally crap in the streets is safer and better, right….

 

[FriendlyMackle]

Ah yes, the state where people literally crap in the streets is safer and better, right….

And if you get all of your news from right-slanted media, that’s all they offer up to you to think about safer, better places to live than the ‘red’ majority states. Despite the fact that the homeless problem is just as bad in southern cities (and Texas) as it is in more democratic (in every sense) locales. Just at the crime in southern cities is actually worse than in northern democratic ‘blue’ cities and states. For instance, Jacksonville, Florida, which has a similar population size to San Francisco (though, Jack-ville has none of the benefits of a real city) has a murder rate around 30-40% higher than SF. And Jacksonville, as you may imagine is an entirely Republican controlled city in a Republican controlled state (again, with much higher crime, drugs, murder, rape, and other stats per capita than places like New York).

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

And if you get all of your news from right-slanted media, that’s all they offer up to you to think about safer, better places to live than the ‘red’ majority states. Despite the fact that the homeless problem is just as bad in southern cities (and Texas) as it is in more democratic (in every sense) locales. Just at the crime in southern cities is actually worse than in northern democratic ‘blue’ cities and states. For instance, Jacksonville, Florida, which has a similar population size to San Francisco (though, Jack-ville has none of the benefits of a real city) has a murder rate around 30-40% higher than SF. And Jacksonville, as you may imagine is an entirely Republican controlled city in a Republican controlled state (again, with much higher crime, drugs, murder, rape, and other stats per capita than places like New York).

Hmm… it seems crime in Florida is lower than in California

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Hmm… it seems crime in Florida is lower than in California

Crime Rate by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[ForkHandles]

And yet, somehow I remember reading numerous articles about that incident in the scary ‘ole “MSM” of the New York Times and others. These things are covered in the media.

Fox ‘news’ is the most watched ‘news’-adjacent network in the USA, are they ALSO ignoring pro-gun ‘hero’ incidents even though they fully support all things right-wing?

This is a false narrative which is geared more to gun fanatics wanting (somehow) to be considered ‘victims’ of society. No one has actually taken away your gun rights…as is well evidenced by the many mass slaughters we have seen year-on-year for the past 30 years with legal guns. And it is only getting worse. Just by entering states like Texas, a person’s life expectancy drops by 2 years (for a number of reasons, including the proliferation of guns and murder by guns).
Similarly, entering California (and staying there) will increase your life expectancy on average by 2 years (again, for a variety of reasons, but mostly relating to environmental, social, and other regulatory safeguards).

Sad to hear Fox is the most popular misinformation channel.

They applied for a license in the UK but it was refused. We have a system that enforces anything calling itself ‘News’ to be balanced and honest. We have a far right News program but they keep getting prosecuted by the regulator for misinformation.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Sad to hear Fox is the most popular misinformation channel.

They applied for a license in the UK but it was refused. We have a system that enforces anything calling itself ‘News’ to be balanced and honest. We have a far right News program but they keep getting prosecuted by the regulator for misinformation.

I won’t get mad at you especially since you’re not from America, but it’s the other way around. Especially most recently when several left-wing news outlets committed literal Defamation of conservative commentator Michael Knowles.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Sad to hear Fox is the most popular misinformation channel.

They applied for a license in the UK but it was refused. We have a system that enforces anything calling itself ‘News’ to be balanced and honest. We have a far right News program but they keep getting prosecuted by the regulator for misinformation.

The way you just described it sounds like the government is declaring what is true or not, and then censoring that media that is declared untrue. That sounds like government controled speech.

 

[bradl]

The way you just described it sounds like the government is declaring what is true or not, and then censoring that media that is declared untrue. That sounds like government controled speech.

No-one said that the system they have nor that the regulator they are using are government-controlled. Regardless, one also has to keep in mind that you know you are in for a world of hurt when a news outlet has to take a lawsuit all the way to SCOTUS to preserve their right to lie.

BL.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

No-one said that the system they have nor that the regulator they are using are government-controlled. Regardless, one also has to keep in mind that you know you are in for a world of hurt when a news outlet has to take a lawsuit all the way to SCOTUS to preserve their right to lie.

BL.

Did Fox News Sue for the 'Right to Lie'?

Did Fox News win a court battle for the right to lie on air?

www.snopes.com

No, Fox News didn't sue for the 'right to tell lies'

A viral post recycled an old claim that Fox News Channel is officially registered as an entertainment outlet — not an au

www.politifact.com

Seems like you just told a lie right there

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

No-one said that the system they have nor that the regulator they are using are government-controlled.

If it’s not true, let him/her speak for themselves.

 

[ForkHandles]

The way you just described it sounds like the government is declaring what is true or not, and then censoring that media that is declared untrue. That sounds like government controled speech.

Free speech is important to us, however there are threats to freedom of speech that are worse than censorship. One of these is misinformation. When you have large outlets, big voices lying, it destroys objective truth, it hinders people’s ability to access and speak truth freely.

So in the same way we have defamation laws to protect individuals from lies (someone’s free speech) we have laws to protect the people from those that would ‘harm’ objective truth.

We look at the number of dangerous conspiracy theories in these days of social media. Powerful voices disseminating misinformation, unregulated.
We never had anywhere near that amount pre WWW, precisely because our news programmes had a duty to tell the truth.

 

[Jensend]

I won’t get mad at you especially since you’re not from America, but it’s the other way around. Especially most recently when several left-wing news outlets committed literal Defamation of conservative commentator Michael Knowles.

An anecdote isn’t evidence for “it’s the other way around.”

 

[ThisBougieLife]

I won’t get mad at you especially since you’re not from America, but it’s the other way around. Especially most recently when several left-wing news outlets committed literal Defamation of conservative commentator Michael Knowles.

What defamation? Did he or did he not call for eradication of "transgenderism"?

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

What defamation? Did he or did he not call for eradication of "transgenderism"?

The defamation was the lying that he called for the killing of trans people.

 

[bradl]

Did Fox News Sue for the 'Right to Lie'?

Did Fox News win a court battle for the right to lie on air?

www.snopes.com

No, Fox News didn't sue for the 'right to tell lies'

A viral post recycled an old claim that Fox News Channel is officially registered as an entertainment outlet — not an au

www.politifact.com

Seems like you just told a lie right there

One small problem: You're assuming Fox = Fox News Channel. I wasn't. Fox, and its affiliates, won a case defending the right to distort facts in their claim of "fairness", in which those facts were complete falsehoods.

Jane Akre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BL.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

The defamation was the lying that he called for the killing of trans people.

Right, so if someone says they want to "eradicate Christianity" or "eradicate homosexuality", it would have nothing to do with Christians or homosexuals.

And the only source I could find was Rolling Stone, and they did not say "killing", they said "eradication". You cannot call for the "eradication of transgenderism" and then defend it by then claiming that trans people don't actually exist so you couldn't possibly have been calling for the eradication of trans people.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

The defamation was the lying that he called for the killing of trans people.

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Right, so if someone says they want to "eradicate Christianity" or "eradicate homosexuality", it would have nothing to do with Christians or homosexuals.

And the only source I could find was Rolling Stone, and they did not say "killing", they said "eradication". You cannot call for the "eradication of transgenderism" and then defend it by then claiming that trans people don't actually exist so you couldn't possibly have been calling for the eradication of trans people.

He said the "ideology"

 

[ThisBougieLife]

He said the "ideology"

Right, for him the "ideology" is the notion that trans people are valid--ergo, eradicating the ideology means "no more trans people", no recognition of trans people, which is the goal. Eradication.

Just as "eradicating Christianity" would mean "no more Christians".

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Right, for him the "ideology" is the notion that trans people are valid--ergo, eradicating the ideology means "no more trans people", no recognition of trans people, which is the goal. Eradication.

Just as "eradicating Christianity" would mean "no more Christians".

He meant rejecting the fact that their identities are true. Not the mass murder of them. If he ment killing, don't you think he wouldn't threaten to sue for defamation.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

To be clear: I don't think he meant mass murder.

But he was calling for trans people to no longer exist. That is what "eradication" is. You see this in other right-wing outlets, the erasure of LGBT people in general.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

Sad to hear Fox is the most popular misinformation channel.

They applied for a license in the UK but it was refused. We have a system that enforces anything calling itself ‘News’ to be balanced and honest. We have a far right News program but they keep getting prosecuted by the regulator for misinformation.

I wish we had similar requirements here in the US. Anything can call itself ‘news’—while broadcasting outright lies which they know to be false as they speak them! And with doctored and manipulated photos and video. Rupert Murdoch and his family have done their best to destroy the US, UK, and Australia with his media organizations. I won’t call any of them news, because, well, they rarely provide that.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

Crime Rate by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

And…you’ll note in that same chart that the crime rate in Florida is greater than that in New York by almost the same margin as Florida vs California.

And the same holds true for the violent crime rates in these states. Florida is much more dangerous than New York. Texas is far more dangerous than NY.

I will concede that according to this site’s data, which claims to be from the FBI Crime Reporter (none of the links worked, so I have no idea on what the tables draw, as I can’t verify anything) that Calif seems to have a higher crime rate than FL. But most of the so-called ‘red’ states are far more crime-ridden that those that are primarily democratic.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

He said the "ideology"

The Ottoman Turks also wanted to eliminate the ‘ideology’ of Christians during WWI, so they slaughtered thousands of Syrians, Greeks, Armenians, Chaldeans, basically all of the Eastern Catholic Christians.

Murderous people do not generally announce their intentions baldly to the world. They prefer to pretend innocence when called on their statements. But hate is hate, and the result is always the same. Whether the targeted group is an ethnic group, people of a particular ‘competing’ religion, a different political ideology, or those who are culturally different.

This (the USA) is supposed to be a nation founded on the principles of freedom for all—freedom from persecution, from tyranny, and especially freedom from the tyranny of organized religion and the wealthy who walk hand in hand with the various churches.

Religious belief is not supposed to enter into government, not at all. Yet we have people proudly proclaiming their desire to pervert the course of this nation and overthrow the very foundations upon which it was built.