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Apple Reinstating Employee Mask Mandate at Approximately 100 U.S. Retail Stores
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With over a million people dead and one of the highest per capita death rates in the world, the answer wasn't "far fewer restrictions".
To Monday Morning Quarterback the situation, I'd say the answer was more likely restrictions across the whole country instead of state by state. KN95 or above masks for everyone. Required indoors around others. Keep everyone except essential workers home or outdoors for spring and summer 2020 with the goal of opening schools in Fall 2020 with regular testing. Then get everyone vaccinated winter/spring 2021.
If we didn't politicize the situation, we'd be looking at 20% of the deaths we see now.
Totally not doable, this is not China even though some wish it were
Yes it is doable if you live in a dictatorship, obviously it bothers you that we dont live in one so I suggest you move to China, you will love it there
That's a perfect example of the political arguments that I'm referring to.
It is a fact that this not a dictatorship, you obviously wish it were. Another fool for the ignored list, Enjoy China
Correct. But my plan had nothing to do with a dictatorship. You're just creating a strawman to argue against.
Not in any way. A constitutional republic and representative democracy is perfectly capable of the actions I suggested.
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lol, ok. Thanks for the feedback. We'll take that into consideration and get back to you. Thank you for revealing who you are with personal attacks. Clearly demonstrating you're on the losing end. Evidenced by the others in this thread that have retorted your comments. Thank you for you continued engagement. It's excellent learning experience to showcase the types of toxic people that exist in this world that sit all day in threads like these and your Twitter accounts and Youtube accounts, aggregating pseudo-intellectual information to posit responses to reinforce the narrative you wish to push onto anyone that will indulge your epithets regarding the opposition to the mask mandate narrative.
Because your thumbs are on the outside of your hand. You can only downvote. ??
Maybe because influenza infections don't cause hospitals to be overwhelmed to the point where their doors are closed to others needing more routine (auto accidents, stroke, heart attack, etc) medical care, with resulting intubations and deaths causing nurses and doctors to be overworked and severely stressed to their breaking point?
And neither does covid now thanks to vaccines, not one hospital is over run now
I wear a mask when I am around others. I also test twice a week and expect anyone visiting my house to do the same. I have underlying health conditions so maybe more cautious.
I am in NI (part UK part EU and party nobody knows what to make of it all) and almost nobody wears masks now. Infection rates remain high despite dramatic drop in testing. I take part in several long term studies (ONS and Zoe) and am asked to test and report. I also wear FFP3 masks that are very secure fitting when I am out and never remove it in public spaces. I also use HEPA filters in house or spaces when I meet others - also useful for allergic rhinitis which I suffer from quite badly.
I have a number of friends who have had CoVid and not one reported a mild illness they would like to repeat.
One had a slight fall before Christmas and had to attend A&E. While there he acquired it so his infection nosocomial. He was wretched for 8-10 weeks and continues to suffer ongoing symptoms - I notice he is very tired, yawns a lot when speaking, often stumbles remembering names and simple facts. I mentioned it to him recently in case others were too polite to point out the issues. He said he was well aware of it and had not “been right” since the infection.
Another continues to struggle with memory. When we speak simple names and things he would remember he know stumbles over often resorting to words such as “thingy” or “you met him at the … “ or just ignores and changes subject.
Two are dead. One suffered severe liver damage and needed a transplant in 2020. He had no underlying health conditions. He acuired the omicron variant in September 2021 and was dead by October. Another suffered multiple organ failure and died a wretched death. He also had no underlying health conditions.
All had and have been fully vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.
Amother friend who is a GP had to attend a care home numerous times. On one occasion there was a requirement to go from room to room and certify multiple deaths - it ran to double figures. Not an easy memory or morningt to forget.
I have several friends who are nurses and doctors. The strain on them is and has been immense. The stress they have endured and the harrowing situations they have had to deal with are not well recognised by the wider public. Surely their role and task deserves some respect and any action we can take that reduces the demand on their services must be worthy of consideration out of courtesy, respect and thanks.
I don’t think we need to stop life or lockdown as I am not sure that is needed now. I do think we need some mitigations and recognition that this is and remains a dangerous virus. If allowed to continue to spread then mutation is inevitable. How it will react when multiple infections occur with other adenoviruses, rhino viruses or influenza viruses is not well understood. If inflections occur in people with reduced immune systems the inability to eliminate it could prove dangerous. There is also the issue of vaccine efficacy and response to continued mutation. I am somewhat concerned that vaccine methodolofy has not moved along a lot since the initial batches in late 2020 specifically targetting one particular attack vector of the initial variant.
I don’t think wearing masks to protect others is too much to ask or too much to ask to allow life to continue largely as normal. Add on a little hygiene, care for others, regular cleaning and a focus on clean air and clean spaces and I think life can be as normal as not to offer too much hinderance.
I guess I am in the monitory. I have had my say! Coffee time ;-)
Thanks to masks, distancing, and vaccines. I continue to follow the advice of degreed virologists/epidemiologists rather than keyboard warriors on tech forums pretending to be virologists/epidemiologists.
I am not saying you are lying but I have known plenty of people with covid including my father that was in the hospital and none of them have long term issues yet when I check out reddit or other forums everyone has long covid and then have all been reinfected and they know tons of others with long covid, and not surprisingly these comments are from people that love masks and lockdowns, your story may be true but there are people out there with agendas exploting the people that actually do suffer
No one social distances anymore and majority don't wear masks, therefore you don't need to be a keyboard jockey to figure out it is the vaccines
Perhaps where you live. Not true where I and others live.
A majority of the country does not social distance or use masks, that is just a fact so no point in discussing further
For sure on that being you're just another keyboard warrior virologist/epidemiologist with an agenda to promote.
When I caught it last summer, fever for about a day and a half, and then just some lethargy for the following week. I've had stomach bugs and flu that knocked me out for longer.
In the part of the country where I reside, it's probably about 1:500 that wear a mask, people are dropping like flies in the street. /s
Conversely I have a female colleague at work who got it mid 2020 and has had lingering problems ever since. She was a triathlete who now, still, struggles to run a few miles
There is a lot of variability here and experiences are very subjective with this.
I'm always amazed at the people that say that because it didn't happen to them it can't happen to other people. Just amazed... Sure, some people will exaggerate their symptoms, but many DO have longer lasting symptoms. I still feel rather tired throughout the day, which is odd. It's a tired that caffeine can't seem to touch. That's not something that I ever remember experiencing before my run with Omicron. People that had the earlier variants have reported far more severe long term symptoms, and including death. The biggest most deadliest long term potential effect of the newer variants is clots. People survive the encounter, and then have a stroke, or in their lung, kidney, leg, etc. Just apparently out of the blue, they crash. Liver failure is happening rather unexpectedly as well.
But, many people are totally symptom free.
If you are, thank your lucky stars, and genetics. MANY people have not been so lucky. From early on, and continuing researchers have been surprised at the effects the virus has caused in some people. Some seem to get a different list of symptoms. Some seem just more prone to getting it, and a small number seem to have some form of partial or total immunity. Either way, it is a virus, and it is mutating like crazy. To assume it will be as muted as it is currently is assuming quite a lot. People shouldn't kid themselves. The party of life seems to not care what happens to them, they are just 'pushing the conflict'. It's another wedge issue to flog. Take care of yourselves, they won't, no one else will either. It's everyone for themselves, and 'all for one and one for all, united we stand divided we fall' is gone. It's a whole lot more of a meaner and more selfish world.
Let’s turn everything upside down over something with a 98% survival rate. Most of the deaths involve multiple comorbidities.
1 million deaths is way too high of a number. My friends grandma died of a heart issue she was late 70s and was on her deathbed. But because she caught Covid the hospital labeled that as the cause even though it wasn’t. The family is still trying to get it changed. There are cases of people dieing of gunshot wounds but because they were Covid positive that’s what cause of death was listed as. The thing is hospitals got money for Covid patients and deaths.
In addition the PCR tests that were used for the longest time couldn’t tell the difference between the flu and Covid. Many of those Covid positive results were probably just flu. None of the numbers that have been reported on anything are reliable and should not be believed. Everything and most of the means to obtain the info are not accurate. They’re not going to take the time to sequence every test.
1 million deaths is way too high of a number. My friends grandma died of a heart issue she was late 70s and was on her deathbed. But because she caught Covid the hospital labeled that as the cause even though it wasn’t. The family is still trying to get it changed. There are cases of people dieing of gunshot wounds but because they were Covid positive that’s what cause of death was listed as. The thing is hospitals got money for Covid patients and deaths.
In addition the PCR tests that were used for the longest time couldn’t tell the difference between the flu and Covid. Many of those Covid positive results were probably just flu. None of the numbers that have been reported on anything are reliable and should not be believed. Everything and most of the means to obtain the info are not accurate. They’re not going to take the time to sequence every test.