Where do all the profits and top-tier benefits go at non-union companies? Hmmmmmm…
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Apple Store in Oklahoma City Becomes Second in U.S. to Unionize
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We don’t think we deserve any of that. There is some sense of ‘earning’ things and being toughened or some such. And a trust of authority (of any kind) and government which is just off the charts. There was a SCOTUS ruling that basically said companies are people. So that’s how it’s been ever since.
Edit: Oops this was in response to iPhoneFan5349
Edit: Oops this was in response to iPhoneFan5349
Oklahomans didn't vote on Apple Penn Square's unionization; Apple Penn Square employees did. Even then, just because Oklahoma is one of the reddest states in the country doesn't mean that it doesn't have its purple and even blue areas — surely it would not surprise you that OKC is one such area.
The stuff they are unionizing these days cracks me up.
I'm trying to see the other side or compare to other unionized jobs. but...
I guess it's no difference than grocery stores which have unionized employees. I stocked shelves overnight for $3.50/hr as a teen and it was a unionized job. I don't think the union did anything for me except garnish my paycheck but I'm sure there were lifers at the grocery store I guess. Manager for sure and then Meat Guy I'm sure.
And there's some lifer type careers at the apple store like the manager. Maybe a technician. But most of the positions at apple retail stores seem like gateway jobs. The kids work them in college or just after until they find a real job.
..granted I'm cognizant that a lot of blue collar jobs went overseas and I think we became more of a service economy so maybe more people are forced into these sorts of jobs that before were considered teen jobs or dead end jobs.
...still ...
Ok it does beat the story I saw on The Verge the other day about the TMobile social media staff unionizing attempt. I asked if it was an Onion story but they didn't answer and may have deleted my comment.
Oh and I do think the pandemic has a lot to do with this union movement. Workers were stressed in these types of jobs. But I think they are extrapolating as if the pandemic horribleness is continuing. It seems like a one time thing at least the gist of that experience and its effect. They sort of blamed the companies for the pandemic in many ways.
I'm trying to see the other side or compare to other unionized jobs. but...
I guess it's no difference than grocery stores which have unionized employees. I stocked shelves overnight for $3.50/hr as a teen and it was a unionized job. I don't think the union did anything for me except garnish my paycheck but I'm sure there were lifers at the grocery store I guess. Manager for sure and then Meat Guy I'm sure.
And there's some lifer type careers at the apple store like the manager. Maybe a technician. But most of the positions at apple retail stores seem like gateway jobs. The kids work them in college or just after until they find a real job.
..granted I'm cognizant that a lot of blue collar jobs went overseas and I think we became more of a service economy so maybe more people are forced into these sorts of jobs that before were considered teen jobs or dead end jobs.
...still ...
Ok it does beat the story I saw on The Verge the other day about the TMobile social media staff unionizing attempt. I asked if it was an Onion story but they didn't answer and may have deleted my comment.
Oh and I do think the pandemic has a lot to do with this union movement. Workers were stressed in these types of jobs. But I think they are extrapolating as if the pandemic horribleness is continuing. It seems like a one time thing at least the gist of that experience and its effect. They sort of blamed the companies for the pandemic in many ways.
They’re able, they’re just trying to disincentivize and other stores from doing the same. So they will say, “Remember what happened to the last store’s employees that unionized? Guys, we don’t want this!” and there’s the end to any stores voting yes again. Apple is being extraordinarily crappy with this move.
Ideally, meritocracy should be it. However, just reading stories here, clearly there are plenty of problematic Apple employees even at the retail level that don't reflect the service that Apple seemed to offer in the olden days. Also, the Burberry lady had created customer hostile policies in the name of profit, and seems like it's sticking despite she's out already. Apple is too big now to see the needle from the haystack, and meritocracy has taken a sideline in the name of virtue signalling and wokeness. If that's the case, then I can see how the workers think they would prefer opting for a union. Again, I'm sure this decision didn't come out overnight. There must be a piling dissatisfactions and other things throughout the years. Something is rotting inside. And offering carrots won't solve the problem unless Tim Cook is willing to get his hand dirty, get the scalpel and take out the tumors out himself.
Meritocracy is always preferred, but do you think the current US social and political climate demand meritocracy?
Apple might not have many stores left after a few years.
You’re thinking of politicians.
Don't trust any Apple statement that starts with the words “We believe”
What law is out there requiring a business to stay open in a certain area?
Look at the corporate apologists at the start of this thread. Aldous Huxley was right. The powers-that-be won't have to oppress us. They'll just teach us to love the oppression and defend it ourselves. Amazing and distressing to see that actually happening.
Always amazed by some of the member comments on here at times. The talking points are out the 70s or something. It must be a generational age difference.
Hopefully the union can fight for better working conditions
Hopefully the union can fight for better working conditions
The workers who voted in favor will come to regret their decision.
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It would be illegal to close it because they unionized. Apple could just say it was an underperforming store, etc...etc...and close it.
I read what they said, "Such a sad state of our society." as "It's really sad that workers have to unionize to get a fair deal from a company that raked in $83 BILLION DOLLARS in last QUARTER alone."
Just gross. I have tried to be a force for change at my work and have pushed for some improvements which have been made and that I appreciate which benefit all of my coworkers. It feels good when it happens. I'm fortunate enough to work for a place where I can sit down with the decision makers and explain my position and be heard. But at bigger companies that is very difficult to impossible in many cases. It should be like this at more places but there are always crazy employees that would abuse such an option. The extremes of both labor and employers make everything more difficult. But I always side with labor because they are the ones that end up suffering the most. It all comes down to there not being enough reasonable people in the world. Way too much greed.
Yes, apple had to let the disgruntled go so the non-gruntled will have a more cohesive environment. I’m guessing they knew that that’s why they let the fellow walk.
Apple is not rotting from the inside, during the pandemic and lockdown apple showed it’s true colors.
watch Apple corporation carefully for any of their Union busting tactics and undermining workers.
Starbucks got busted for that recently.
Take Apple to court for their BS restricting pay rise for Union members.
I side with Apple workers AND Apple consumers/end users NOT Apple corporation and its shareholders.
Starbucks got busted for that recently.
Take Apple to court for their BS restricting pay rise for Union members.
I side with Apple workers AND Apple consumers/end users NOT Apple corporation and its shareholders.
I filled in the wrong form and accidentally joined an onion. Now I am concerned that if the company makes cuts it will all end in tears!
Of course Apple was able to. You should think again about why they chose not to. I really wonder why Apple is against unions… unless it’s because they want to ensure higher profit it doesn’t make sense.
Depends... If it were true what you say, then the Ponzi-Masters have an interest to increase wages of the workers because the fees are % based of the pay.
And so are the "this is not a swastika, this is a Slavic/Celtic/Nordic whatnot symbol" crowd are merely a grass on somebody else's playground(transnational capital comes to mind).
The problem is that without statesmanship and conceptual competencies the realization that you are being manipulated is absolutely meaningless.
This is great. Apple workers risk their lives everyday working in horrific conditions miles underground mining for iPhone precious materials while the big mean Tim Cook lords over them continually abusing them. Finally they will no longer be taken advantage of!