Maybe quitting annual upgrades would do more?
I was saying today to a friend (both of us long time Apple fans) that I would strongly consider a framework laptop if I need to update my 2011 MacBook Pro…Sadly the reality is you won’t be able to buy products from any manufacturer if that is your yard stick. Saying that, not buying products is absolutely the best thing you can do for the environment.
The health of our planet and its ability to sustain us is by far the largest issue facing us today, when you consider that if it cannot sustain us, there will be no us.not really
but maybe they should chill a little bit while world deals with bigger issues
So we should do nothing at all then?Because it is empty virtual signaling if Apple and the celebrities who preach about this stuff continue to fly on private planes everywhere. Those flights hurt the environment a hell of a lot more than including a USB-C cable with my upcoming new Apple TV remote would.
Which is fine, if you can live without MacOS.I was saying today to a friend (both of us long time Apple fans) that I would strongly consider a framework laptop if I need to update my 2011 MacBook Pro…
And you base this on what? neuroticism?lol. Apple and the like are so funny. As if these manufactures care and Apple is only "calling them out" cause they think it looks like they care. Virtue Signaling.. nothing more.
So you're saying Apple would be charging $400 MORE per device than Samsung until then? Why woulda nine buy an Apple device under that scenario? There needs to be a reality check and a balance between environmental extremists and real life.Right, but what if the time came to pass on those costs to customers and only Apple has already done it? What if Samsung suddenly had to charge $400 extra for their devices and Apple didn't. That would cost Samsung valuable marketshare, otherwise Samsung would already be charging $400 more for their devices.
How about not trying to manufacture and sell new iPhones each year?So we shouldn’t do anything then?
Apple will only manufacturer as many iPhones as it can sell, therefore that action is on the consumer to not buy a new iPhone.How about not trying to manufacture and sell new iPhones each year?
Or.. consumers not feel the need to keep buying new products every year?
Making it far more expensive will be a good way of achieving that.
Apple is doing the transition slowly, so the consumer isn't being slugged with it all at once. But we are paying a bit more for our devices because of all these green policies, yes. And it'll add up to hundreds of dollars more over the years before it is made law in most of the world. The reality is climate change is real, it'll prove to be devastating, and we'll all have carbon zero will one day be law because humanity won't just give up. What Apple is doing proves that even without carbon humanity will find a way to thrive.So you're saying Apple would be charging $400 MORE per device than Samsung until then? Why woulda nine buy an Apple device under that scenario? There needs to be a reality check and a balance between environmental extremists and real life.
Words leave me on this - flights to and from countries, digging for precious metals, transferring responsibility to others for charging blocks, proprietary connectors such as lightning, building own processor (manufacturing etc..), new organisational design (people and tech) to support the odd satellite call, I could go on and on and on.
Apple today called on its suppliers to take new steps to decarbonize and address their greenhouse gas emissions.
In a press release, Apple said that it will evaluate the work of its manufacturing partners on a regular basis to encourage them to decarbonize their Apple-related operations and use 100 percent renewable energy, tracking and auditing progress annually. It added that Apple will specifically partner with suppliers that are "working with urgency and making measurable progress toward decarbonization," and is encouraging manufacturers to address their greenhouse gas emissions beyond their Apple production, offering suppliers a suite of free e-learning resources and live training courses through the Clean Energy Program.
Apple itself has been carbon neutral across its corporate operations since 2020, but has the long term goal of being carbon neutral across its entire global supply chain and the life cycle of every product by 2030. Apple has reduced its emissions by 40 percent since 2015, primarily thanks to improvements in energy efficiency, low-carbon design, carbon neutrality for corporate operations, and transitioning its supply chain to renewable electricity.
More than 200 suppliers representing more than 70 percent of Apple's manufacturing spend have already committed to using renewable energy like wind or solar for all Apple production, including Corning Incorporated, Nitto Denko Corporation, SK hynix, STMicroelectronics, TSMC, and Yuto.
Apple also announced new initiatives designed to help decarbonize the global economy and promote new climate-focused solutions, including investments to construct large-scale solar and wind facilities in Europe, partnerships to support businesses moving to clean energy, and Restore Fund projects to advance natural carbon removal and help carbon removal generate a financial return. For more information about Apple's latest environmental efforts, see the full press release.
Article Link: Apple Urges Suppliers to Address Environmental Impact Ahead of 2030 Carbon Neutral Goal
I don’t want green energy tbhoh, but it has a downside: green energy is simply more expensive
which means suppliers need to raise prices
which means higher price for end customers
ecology is expensive (at least for now)
That’s by design and greed.That’s not actually true any more. Sure, some things are more expensive, like EV's. But energy like Coal and Gas are becoming more expensive than Renewables.
If you want cheap then you want green energy even if you don't know it.I don’t want green energy tbh
I’d rather dirty energy that’s affordable. We need to open up the gas taps and not worry about green anything or fake meats and electric cars.
Apple has become the king virtue signaler.The irony in releasing new dongles, plastic stickers in nearly every package, and apparently certain executives investing in bitcoin (not sure if true).
I don't think that most Apple consumers are upgrading every year.How about not trying to manufacture and sell new iPhones each year?
Or.. consumers not feel the need to keep buying new products every year?
Making it far more expensive will be a good way of achieving that.
I am personally in team "Just ship every Apple product without a charging cable or charger".The irony in releasing new dongles, plastic stickers in nearly every package, and apparently certain executives investing in bitcoin (not sure if true).
I agree, Apple are the example which the rest of the industry should follow.I don't think that most Apple consumers are upgrading every year.
It's simple math really. Apple has over a billion active iPhone users. Even if each consumer is holding on to their iPhone for 4 years on average, you are still looking at over 200 million iPhones sold every year.
I fail to see how the alternative, where Apple releases a new iPhone every 2-3 years, and then people rush to upgrade, is any better. The reality is that Apple has been making their iPhones last longer (between the use of more durable materials and longer software support), which is more than can be said for cheap android handsets which, more often than not, simply end up as landfill.