Interesting, but do they also allow slight cost increases because the investment for the renewable energy needs a bit of time to show the return, or a commitment on long term business ?
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Apple Urges Suppliers to Address Environmental Impact Ahead of 2030 Carbon Neutral Goal
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I guess I just don’t care about anyone but america. It’s not our children, couldn’t care less where or how we get things. 3rd world problems ain’t one of mine
USA baby
It may be virtue signaling, but if the environment is helped more than it otherwise would have been, then it’s not empty.
Tim-Hey guys-stop making carbon!
Supplier-'What about child labor, strip mining, chemical byproduct dumping, etc.?'
Tim-That's fine, just no carbon!
Supplier-'What about child labor, strip mining, chemical byproduct dumping, etc.?'
Tim-That's fine, just no carbon!
Any "help" to the environment is negated and then some when one of your heroes hops on their private plane.
Yes, but I’m saying that they’re probably going to hop on those planes regardless, so zero sum (or less negative) is better than negative (or more negative).
Are you saying when it comes to environment, they should do all or nothing? I disagree with that. Should they be more environmental? Of course. But I’ll take whatever anyone gives. I will not reject any environmental help, regardless of motivation.
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This is quite a good point. At both a corporate and individual level it's much better to transition on your own terms rather than wait to be forced to make changes. I can see some of the posters in this thread are going to find life quite difficult when the inevitable happens.
Lol. If I was the head of a multi-trillion dollar company I would fly in a private plane too. With the way people behave anymore, less like people and more like whinny children or wild animals.
People shoot the window attendants at fast food restaurants just because their fries are cold. Or break into schools and kill innocent bystanders just cause. The world is full of people who are crazy.
Yeah, Apple is trying to push for people to do less harm to our planet, while having to do some things that come across hypocritical. Change takes time.
What are you doing to try to insure a world for the people of tomorrow?
People are so quick to point out the mote in another person’s eye, but can’t see the beam in theirs.
Apple has programs for businesses to use to help offset cost. I think it was Foxconn that got ripped not long ago for using Apples equipment to produce none Apple products. Corning got money from Apple for R&D. The company that makes the FaceID units got money from Apple to expand R&D and production.
Life isn’t black and white, I know this, it is more grey. It is a give and take. Please stop bashing a company (doesn’t mater which company) because you feel they are in the wrong while ignoring what things they do that are good.
Green energy these days is not necessarily more expensive. the initial investment is high, but running is cheaper. The problem is capacity and storage. And getting fossil fuel companies away from politicians. Additionally, prices for renewable energy continue to drop, which is not the case for fossil.
For the people who are having trouble understanding this, let's use units to describe helping or hurting the environment. Let's call them say BS units. So let us say:
A perfect happy environment is a state of being 100 BS units
This "initiative" by Apple is maybe worth 10 BS units.
Tim Cook and other celebrity "activists" boarding their private planes is maybe worth -80 BS units and keep in mind they do this regularly.
Ergo, Tim and the celebs you worship for being "planet savers" are actually hurting the planet overall more than you or I ever will.
Also FYI anyone who starts their argument with "Lol" is immediately overlooked.
I know some people like to be pedantic and play mental gymnastics every chance they get. So here's your gold medal to stare at while recycling your urine for drinking water. All while Timmy boards his private plane and wipes out all the good you did for the environment in a couple seconds.
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Is it better if Apple does something, rather than nothing, even if there is more they could do?
Exactly, companies don’t pay taxes. It gets passed on to the consumer. Sure raise the corporate tax rate some people think it sounds good. Then you see the company charge more for the product and hire less people.
First of all, your BS units are pulled out of your ass so they are BS. I am sure the energy footprint of all Apple suppliers is greater than his flights and not the other way around. Second of all, if Timmy and friends do a few flights, which I disagree with, but by the contacts and meetings they have, are able to change the attitude and emissions of millions, then their BS units are worth while. Me recycling my urine will never make a large impact. If everyone recycles their urine it will. To use your analogy. You will thank us later.
It’s the pervasive attitude that unless you do everything, you should do nothing.
Much more important than the climate hoax. Who cares the slave labor and oppressed minorities are in China.
I agree with doing nothing, am I the only one on the forum realizing we literally don’t have to any issues when other countries don’t care either. Why should we care if they don’t either?
Just send our trash and pollution to their countries by letting them make stuff for us dirt cheap
You’re not understanding me. I’m not praising them as environmentalists. Far from it. I praise positive direction. So even if they burn 100 trees every day, if they change it to 99 trees, or or even get others to burn less trees, then I commend that as a step in the right direction, and I encourage more. Acknowledging that they do one good thing does not mean putting an environmental hero pin on them.
Call them out for the bad they’re doing, fine, that’s constructive negative reinforcement. But what is constructive about actively ridiculing a small positive change? That’s deconstructive. That’s negativity for the sake of negativity.
I couldn’t care less if it’s young old or dead making our products. That’s chinas issue not ours
They don’t care about us
Freedom to let them run society as they see fit. We should stop imposing our beliefs on others. Screw em, let them live like savages
Solar panels lose efficiency every year & need to be replaced every 10-15 years to maintain a decent rate of power generation. Battery banks used to store power also degrade over time & need to be replaced every 5-8 years. On a company scale you're looking at millions of dollars spent every several years just to keep the "GREEN DREAM" alive with bad technology not suited to the task.
Anyone pushing this "SoLaR & wInD & LiThIuM BS" should be put in stocks & pummelled with rotten fruit. You wanna play this game either Go Nuclear or Go Home. Get serious with geothermal, tidal & fusion or GTFO.
Anyone pushing this "SoLaR & wInD & LiThIuM BS" should be put in stocks & pummelled with rotten fruit. You wanna play this game either Go Nuclear or Go Home. Get serious with geothermal, tidal & fusion or GTFO.
Its not irony, its passing the buck. They're monetizing being green as a business model but not handling it themselves. Hopefully when they go to usb-c on iPhones they have some sort of trade in system where people can return their now useless lightening cables for some sort of monetary return. Thats how they should be handling this, not just telling people to trade in their year old phone like they did at the iPhone launch.
Lol.
The “initiative” by Apple you say is only worth 10 points. Did you miss the part where all of Apples corporate operations are carbon neutral and have been since 2020? That isn’t just the space ship, it is all corporate buildings, which from how I read it also includes all their data centers (which if you pay attention to the news related to those centers have 100% renewable energy support). Clearly though you want to under cut the effort Apple has put in for the last 10-20 years because it makes you feel better by lumping all the rich people, celebrities etc into a single pool and saying their private plans are worse then having a company with 10s of thousands jobs in offices having a 100% carbon neutral footprint. Yeah, sounds like a reasonable arrangement to me 🙄.
I’m just saying it’s an actual cause that actually has visible results and will make a difference and isn’t a hoax. You can say it’s going green or for the children and get away with anything you want. I find this so called green results in higher prices and less performance and a worse consumer experience. Less value for my money.