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mrochester

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They say as they make an overpriced monitor with a proprietary nonreplacable power cord and a new eWaste accessory for 1st gen Apple Pencils to work with 10th gen iPads.
Is it better to make an adaptor for existing pencils to work with new iPads, or make people throw away Apple Pencil 1s and replace with Apple pencil 2s?
 
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mikethemartian

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The irony in releasing new dongles, plastic stickers in nearly every package, and apparently certain executives investing in bitcoin (not sure if true).
Being carbon neutral just means not increasing the net carbon in the atmosphere. It doesn’t mean the entities don’t create pollution in general. It doesn’t account for the growing size of landfills.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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Is it better to make an adaptor for existing pencils to work with new iPads, or make people throw away Apple Pencil 1s and replace with Apple pencil 2s?

Replace it with Apple Pencil 2s objectively. The Gen 1 is horrible and should've been retired years ago. That Pencil is fragile and has killed so many lightning ports with how easy it is to snap the male lightning connector off, and this new solution to make them work on one iPad type is even more asinine.
 
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Jim Lahey

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More Cult of Carbon claptrap. Anyone who truly believes that a company like Apple are 100% renewable is hopelessly spellbound by the propaganda. Where does all the energy come from that powers their stores worldwide and all the infrastructure that supports and supplies them? The fuel that employees use to get there etc? A solar panel in California? Pull the other one. The entire show is a game of statistical Top Trumps and political posturing.
 

mrochester

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Replace it with Apple Pencil 2s objectively. The Gen 1 is horrible and should've been retired years ago. That Pencil is fragile and has killed so many lightning ports with how easy it is to snap the male lightning connector off, and this new solution to make them work on one iPad type is even more asinine.
Is making the adaptor better or worse for the environement vs making the Apple pencil 2?
 

laptech

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Right, but what if the time came to pass on those costs to customers and only Apple has already done it? What if Samsung suddenly had to charge $400 extra for their devices and Apple didn't. That would cost Samsung valuable marketshare, otherwise Samsung would already be charging $400 more for their devices.

Apple do not care about marketshare because what they care about is getting rich and staying rich and they do a very good job of doing it.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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Is making the adaptor better or worse for the environement vs making the Apple pencil 2?

Worse bro as I said, since they're still making Pencil 1s. The Pencil 1's gotta go and eventually it will have to go since it uses lightning, so just rip the bandaid off now because these adapters are gonna become useless in a couple of years anyway.
 

mrochester

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The Pencil 1's gotta go and eventually it will have to go since it uses lightning, so just rip the bandaid off now because these adapters are gonna become useless in a couple of years anyway.
How often do Apple Pencils break down and need to be replaced? Chucking away a perfectly funtional piece of equipment seems to be rather wasteful and definitely bad for the environment.
 

noblesoul117

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oh, but it has a downside: green energy is simply more expensive
which means suppliers need to raise prices
which means higher price for end customers
ecology is expensive (at least for now)
Not just expensive: toxic. Pillaging the ends of the earth rare minerals to make inefficient lithium batteries, with often underpaid if not forced/child labor doing the pillaging on behalf of Greta Thunburg & Friends?

I’m sorry, are children in Saudi Arabia drilling for oil with their bare hands?

Talk about environmentally and socially psychotic. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if lithium and other minerals needed for a massive-scale non-petroleum infrastructure deplete way sooner than oil ever would, turning into an extremely finite resource and crippling capacity expansion.

I’m not fond of oil, and I care about the Earth, but that also means protecting it from stupid people who will kill it with kindness.

Furthermore, most (all?) of those ego status symbol electric vehicles were made with petroleum power at various stages of the production pipeline. Imagine if TRUE innovation had been done to de-petroleumize production FIRST in order to prove it worked, instead of focusing on making your ego feel better for achieving nothing of import?

Apple’s “clean energy charging” is equally stupid. Building cars without using “dirty” energy would be far more impactful — and, ironically, likely impossible.

At least Apple’s ego is in the right place (/semi-sarcasm) by forcing suppliers to be the ‘efficient’ ones instead of trying to place the blame/burden on me and the rest of us as people who are just charging a cell phone.
 

Abazigal

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Is it better to make an adaptor for existing pencils to work with new iPads, or make people throw away Apple Pencil 1s and replace with Apple pencil 2s?
The 10th gen iPad was never going to get compatibility with the 2nd gen Apple Pencil either way.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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How often do Apple Pencils break down and need to be replaced? Chucking away a perfectly funtional piece of equipment seems to be rather wasteful and definitely bad for the environment.

Apple Pencil Gen 1s are prone to many different issues, from easily losing it, to losing the lightning port cap and never finding it again leaving an exposed lightning connector, to the lightning connector prone to bending or snapping off entirely. Add that with the fact the damn thing can only be used on vanilla iPads while every other iPad uses the far superior Gen 2, and the pure existence of the Gen 1 nowadays is wasteful since they keep making it. When the 10th gen iPad got revealed they should've moved it to Gen 2 so all the iPads used the same pencil, but they didn't. Instead they're still making Gen 1s, and now making a dongle for said pencil that can only be used on one type of iPad, just so it can be used on one specific generation of that iPad.
 

Abazigal

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Apple do not care about marketshare because what they care about is getting rich and staying rich and they do a very good job of doing it.
I will say that Apple cares about the market share which actually makes them money. Not just market share for market share's sake.

Which would explain why Google is willing to pay Apple billions a year to keep search default in safari, despite they themselves commanding over 80% market share of the mobile market courtesy of android.
 

mrochester

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Apple Pencil Gen 1s are prone to many different issues, from easily losing it, to losing the lightning port cap and never finding it again leaving an exposed lightning connector, to the lightning connector prone to bending or snapping off entirely. Add that with the fact the damn thing can only be used on vanilla iPads while every other iPad uses the far superior Gen 2, and the pure existence of the Gen 1 nowadays is wasteful since they keep making it. When the 10th gen iPad got revealed they should've moved it to Gen 2 so all the iPads used the same pencil, but they didn't. Instead they're still making Gen 1s, and now making a dongle for said pencil that can only be used on one type of iPad, just so it can be used on one specific generation of that iPad.
I was really referring to the existing Apple Pencils that people have. If users can get a new iPad but continue to use their existing Apple Pencil 1, that saves the need to manufacturer and purchase an Apple Pencil 2.
 

Spaceboi Scaphandre

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I was really referring to the existing Apple Pencils that people have. If users can get a new iPad but continue to use their existing Apple Pencil 1, that saves the need to manufacturer and purchase an Apple Pencil 2.

That's if they get a vanilla iPad. If they decide they want an iPad Pro they have a buy a Gen 2 as their Gen 1 does not work with any other iPads except the vanillas as Apple designed it not to pair with any iPads that use Gen 2. This is why I call the Gen 1 Apple Pencil eWaste.
 

Greenmeenie

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As much as I admire Apple for their environmental goals, they really need to walk their talk. They need to stop selling leather cases & accessories like watch bands. Not only is Factory Farming unethical, it’s one of the leading contributors to man made climate change. They need to use faux leather in all their products, just like Tesla does. It’s really not hard. Do the right thing Apple. Walk your talk. Set an example. Your customers will support you 100%. So do it already!
 
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mrochester

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That's if they get a vanilla iPad. If they decide they want an iPad Pro they have a buy a Gen 2 as their Gen 1 does not work with any other iPads except the vanillas as Apple designed it not to pair with any iPads that use Gen 2. This is why I call the Gen 1 Apple Pencil eWaste.
Absolutely, if they get an iPad that doesn't support Apple Pencil 1 they will either have to buy an Apple Pencil 2 or do without.
 

CarAnalogy

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Are we sure that lots of wind farms are actually a good idea? The energy has to come from somewhere, in this case it’s coming from exchange of heat energy in the atmosphere. Are we sure that isn’t going to actually make the weather worse?
 

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Unami

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oh, but it has a downside: green energy is simply more expensive
which means suppliers need to raise prices
which means higher price for end customers
ecology is expensive (at least for now)
Actually, renewable energy sources are the cheapest on the market right now, nuclear and fossil fuel based the most expensive, sometimes by a factor of 3-4. the big catch is that there's not enough capacity to store energy and the power grid is also still dependent on being fed a constant amount of energy from big soirces, so we need this expensive energy
 
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needsomecoffee

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Recently read an article stating that there are 5.4 BILLION disused phones. Apple continues to ignore the fact that the BEST thing it can do for the environment is offer THE OPTION of a phone line that offers Fairphone features (easily replaced components). But hey they are carbon neutral (likely because of vast amounts of purchased carbon offsets which have pretty much been proven to be a sham [though well intended]). Please offer consumers the option of an "Apple Fairphone".
 

SoldOnApple

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Apple do not care about marketshare because what they care about is getting rich and staying rich and they do a very good job of doing it.
Not to mention the good PR. All the news in the world telling everyone that Apple's phone was already clean, people believing that Apple products are super clean and other products super dirty, and that perception will seem important when it's contrasted with news of real climate related disaster. Apple is playing 4D chess decades ahead of time while competitors are fixated on the next financial year.
 

The_Gream

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Man tons of upset people. I believe Apple has done more for going “green” then most other companies. I remember a new article not long ago about how the data centers in London were causing power grid issues. Apple was not listed as one of the data centers.
Apple also offer millions if not billions of dollars to their supply chain members via programs every year.
 

ProfessionalFan

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Man tons of upset people. I believe Apple has done more for going “green” then most other companies. I remember a new article not long ago about how the data centers in London were causing power grid issues. Apple was not listed as one of the data centers.
Apple also offer millions if not billions of dollars to their supply chain members via programs every year.
And Tim Cook lets you know all about minutes after stepping off his private plane.
 
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