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johannnn

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* A billion iPhone users will throw away their fully working lighting cable = bad for the environment
* This will make it more difficult for companies to implement something better than USB-C in a few years, since it has to get approval by EU (good luck with that)
 

Lakersfan74

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So Apple can still use lightning on the next two iPhones. I wonder if they will wait until the 17 model or do it sooner.
 

MrMojo1

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What happens when there's a better connector invented? Will the europeans be stuck in the stone age due to this legislation?
Then companies can choose to upgrade to the 'better' connector then, in the future when it happens.
Not worth spending time, effort & energy to consider things that haven't happened yet and don't have control of what will or may happen in the future.
Best if companies adapt to newer technology instead of any govt passing laws to force that change. If any govt has to step in, then blame the companies for not changing.
Tiresome reading/hearing about anti-govt rhetoric when companies should be adapting.
It's No different than when Apple makes changes then Expects consumers to adapt to using revised Apple products because Apple knows better. Too many Apple fan people and their blind devotion like a cult.
 
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jimbobb24

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Amzing how few of these people must have actually made anything. 2 years? The products for 2024 have probably been finalized for awhile and now companies would be expected to change vendors and get new supplies? Politicians....
 
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jimbobb24

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Any new connector would likely have to be approved by the USB-IF anyway so this really isnt much of a concern.
What if its a tiny company that doesn't bother to go through? Or a big company that makes something revolutionary and wants to get it to their customers first. The chances the EU get left behind are very high. Govt standards are entrenched standards. Lobbying arises from both sides. Instead of people just inventing and doing it now they need permission.
 

SnappleRumors

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I’m sure Apple will almost miss your business.

Please come back and let us all know the flawless company you find that puts out software with no bugs. We may all jump ship.

This is the point being made by @exoticSpice

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This is the point that was being made.

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Actually, that’s not “the point being made” unless you can speak for everyone.

All my devices work perfectly. So I know you aren’t speaking for me.

Maybe you should move to a company/OS (Android) with the slogan “we’re trying hard to work”.
 

thebeans

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It may sound like a minor factor, but I'm waiting for USB-C before I move up to my next iPhone (from the X). With the profusion of devices I travel with, I'm desperate to pare down the number of cable types I need. Seems like it would have needed to happen eventually given the age of the Lightning tech, but glad that there's now a drop-dead date.
Oh yea. I’m sure. Because it is just sooo hard to carry a big heavy lightning cable for your phone. 😜🤣
 

cyanite

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Apple will switch to USB-C but only provides USB 2.0 speed just to piss people off.
How would that make any business sense?

Apple should just add a non-functional usb-c port next to the lightning port. Job done.
No, since the law requires it to charge the phone and support USB PD.

This is the reason why the policy doesn't address wireless charging asit has not yet been harmonised across devices unlike USB-C that seems to be the go to for many devices.
Actually, they note that the wireless charging market is less fragmented.

Hmmm. A narrowly crafted law to only affect one company, and a fix to a perceived problem that almost nobody was clamoring for. Where have I seen this before?
Not here, at least, since this legislation is pretty broad.

Let me guess; Apple will sell iPhones with a USB C port...but will go further and not include a USB C cable in the box, because it's now standard and everyone has a USB C cable.
Sure… the EU legislation makes it optional to include a cable (and mandatory to sell a version without a charger).

Better yet, ship it with a Lightning-to-USB-C adapter, like they just did with the iPad for charging the Pencil…
Not allowed by this legislation.

🔮 I foresee a usb c to lighting port dongle in Europes future.
See above.
 

deeddawg

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Apple will switch to USB-C but only provides USB 2.0 speed just to piss people off.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised

They've demonstrated the ability to do USB3 speed over Lightning, so the fact they haven't continued to do so represents a choice rather than a limitation.
 

ThisBougieLife

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Lol at everyone thinking it’s going to be portless as a “middle finger”. That’s not happening and that’s not a reason Apple does things anyway.

Still waiting to hear why Apple chose to adopt the “horrible” USB-C for the iPad Pro even though no one was forcing them to.
 

deeddawg

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deeddawg

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I actually like Lightning. It charges the phone. It does its job.

That said, it's not good for anything other than charging. It's super slow for data transfer. Not something I use it for but others do. It's old technology and Apple doesn't want to update it or let others use it.

Correction - USB2 over Lightning is slow.

Apple did do USB3 over Lightning on an ipad.

Ergo the continued use of USB2 over Lightning is a choice made by Apple rather than a limitation of Lightning.
 

ThomasJL

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Legislation is not the way to solve these problems in my view. In 10 years phones will still have to have this old connector because they never got around to updating the law.
Apple has used the Lightning connector for literally 10 years. Apple has used USB 2.0 connectors on iPhones since the very first iPhone in 2007, which is 15 years.
 

Kevin2055

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The European Union today gave final approval to legislation that will force technology companies like Apple to switch to USB-C across a wide range of devices.

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Outlined in an official press release, the European Council today gave the European Parliament's common charger directive approval, finalizing the legislative procedure that will make a USB-C port mandatory across a wide range of consumer electronic devices, including the iPhone and AirPods, by the end of 2024. The directive has now been officially adopted and is set to be published in the official journal of the European Union. It will come into force 20 days after publication, and the rules will apply exactly 24 months after that date. Products that go on sale before the date of application will be exempt and can continue to be sold after that point.

USB-C as a legally mandated "common port" is a world-first statute and will likely impact Apple in particular since it widely uses the Lightning connector instead of USB-C on many of its devices. MEPs claim that the move will reduce electronic waste, address product sustainability, and make use of different devices more convenient.

Regardless of their manufacturer, all new mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones and headsets, handheld videogame consoles and portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds and laptops that are rechargeable via a wired cable, with a power delivery of up to 100 Watts, will have to feature a USB-C port. Exemptions will apply for devices that are too small to offer a USB-C port, such as smart watches, health trackers, and some sports equipment, but the legislation is expected to expand to other devices over time. Companies will also have to ensure that dedicated labels clearly inform consumers about the charging characteristics of devices they buy.

In addition, the EU seeks to ensure that wireless charging solutions are interoperable as the technology evolves over time. The directive empowers the European Commission to develop delegated acts by the end of 2024 that force companies to make their custom wireless charging solutions more open and meet interoperability standards, helping consumers to avoid getting locked into proprietary charging solutions while preventing fragmentation and reducing waste. It is not clear if this would include Apple's MagSafe charging system for the iPhone and AirPods since it is based on the Qi wireless charging standard.

In 2018, the European Commission attempted to reach a final resolution on this issue but it failed to come into law. At the time, Apple warned that forcing a common charging port on the industry would stifle innovation and create electronic waste as consumers would be forced to switch to new cables.

The EU's effort resumed last year, with the European Commission spearheading a refreshed version of the directive. In April, the Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee voted to support the directive, with 43 votes in favor and just two against. In June, the EU's Committee on Internal Market and Consumer Protection reached an agreement to introduce the directive to the European Parliament, which then voted overwhelmingly in favor of it.

Both Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman believe Apple is testing a version of the iPhone that has a USB-C port instead of Lightning. Kuo believes that Apple could switch the iPhone to USB-C starting with 2023's iPhone 15, before transitioning AirPods and other accessories at a later date. This timing would allow Apple to switch many of its affected devices to USB-C ahead of the EU directive coming into force.

Last week, Apple launched a new Siri Remote for the Apple TV and the 10th-generation iPad, both of which replace the Lightning ports on their predecessors for USB-C, seemingly indicating that Apple's transition toward the common port is already well underway.

Article Link: EU Gives Final Approval to Law That Will Force iPhone to Switch to USB-C

So my 10+ lightning cables will become e-waste soon.
 
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