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New Safari 2.0 and 1.3 Seeds
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Will the ability to download things from activities come back? I have to use Firefox to take embedded media files off of pages.
Hi ,Brian Hickman said:
Have you ever tried Nightshift ? http://www.edmunds.com loads very well with no problems.You can find it here http://versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/27294 . If you run it , a program called "Webkit" with a gold Safari-icon
is placed in your Application-folder. It's an updated rendering-engine fore Safari (now opensource).There is almost every day a new version from Webkit , so run Nightshift regular. It's good for me between two Safari-updates from Apple and fixes alot of bugs.Doctor Q said:
I'm all for it. My blog's not popular, so it wouldn't be a very good launching point, but let's start a running list and see if we can't get the members of the Brit Pack to support it. Actually, I'm going to start a new thread about it so this one doesn't go directly off topic.
-Chase
Non-working sites
Some of the sites here that don't work in safari (such as http://www.edmunds.com/) don't work because of crappy JavaScripts. For edmunds.com you're lucky since you can simply turn off JS and it will run. Other sites unfortunately are designed with nothing in the head of the designers since JS is obligatory. Sorry, but help those ignorant people and drop them a line about how to use JS (it's for *added* effects, not for *basic functionality*).
Some others simply are not valid, so actually it's not Safaris fault but the webdesigners. Anyway, it seems that Apple tries to imitate other browsers error-recovery for faulty HTML. So drop Apple a line about wrongly displayed pages. There is that nice little bug in the upper right corner. The more complaints the more probable it is to get fixed.
regards
apeiros
Some of the sites here that don't work in safari (such as http://www.edmunds.com/) don't work because of crappy JavaScripts. For edmunds.com you're lucky since you can simply turn off JS and it will run. Other sites unfortunately are designed with nothing in the head of the designers since JS is obligatory. Sorry, but help those ignorant people and drop them a line about how to use JS (it's for *added* effects, not for *basic functionality*).
Some others simply are not valid, so actually it's not Safaris fault but the webdesigners. Anyway, it seems that Apple tries to imitate other browsers error-recovery for faulty HTML. So drop Apple a line about wrongly displayed pages. There is that nice little bug in the upper right corner. The more complaints the more probable it is to get fixed.
regards
apeiros
As I just mentioned, I made this thread for everyone's complaints about commercial websites.
I just now realized that a 1.3 is kind of unexpected, seeing that Apple dropped support for Jaguar upon Panther's release. Anyone have an idea if they're going to keep the Panther Safari up to date until the frameworks change in Leopard, or something like that?
-Chase
I just now realized that a 1.3 is kind of unexpected, seeing that Apple dropped support for Jaguar upon Panther's release. Anyone have an idea if they're going to keep the Panther Safari up to date until the frameworks change in Leopard, or something like that?
-Chase
I haven't had many major issues with Safari, I've had 1 or 2 unexpected quits and a beachball here and there. Sometime the scroll bar get messed up and breaks up into parts, doesn't refresh right or something, not a major problem but it shouldn't do that, sometimes certain images don't load right and I need to refresh, I've had to do that with IE on windows at times as well. At times Safari will lag between pages, not extremely long but longer than usual. Overall I do like Safari a lot, the built in RSS works well and it blocks all the pop ups. Firefox is better in some ways though, it has a more customizable pop up blocker is 1 nice thing.
Safari redirects
It seems that these problems are in fact associated with the way safari handles redirects and pages that have frames. On the server side, you can see when a page is loaded that safari does not even attempt to request the information for some frames on the page. One site that I use that has the problem, we have done numerous hours of testing and found this behaviour.
In most of these cases, if you continue to manually refresh it will eventually load the page, with all the frames populated, correctly.
How can it not be Safari's problem when it doesn't even request the frames?
As for the infamous 'cannot connect to server' or 'cannot open page' this issue seems to be associated with Safari closing the connection almost instantly after a request because the server didnt answer fast enough.
I have been tracking this problem for a while, since it started effecting me after one of the Safari upgrades. I love safari but sometimes it just irritates me that they dont seem to be acknowledging that they have this problem or that there is still no fix for it beyond, 'use another browser on this site.' That is ridiculous.
l8r,
Kolvedic
powerbox g4 12"
It seems that these problems are in fact associated with the way safari handles redirects and pages that have frames. On the server side, you can see when a page is loaded that safari does not even attempt to request the information for some frames on the page. One site that I use that has the problem, we have done numerous hours of testing and found this behaviour.
In most of these cases, if you continue to manually refresh it will eventually load the page, with all the frames populated, correctly.
How can it not be Safari's problem when it doesn't even request the frames?
As for the infamous 'cannot connect to server' or 'cannot open page' this issue seems to be associated with Safari closing the connection almost instantly after a request because the server didnt answer fast enough.
I have been tracking this problem for a while, since it started effecting me after one of the Safari upgrades. I love safari but sometimes it just irritates me that they dont seem to be acknowledging that they have this problem or that there is still no fix for it beyond, 'use another browser on this site.' That is ridiculous.
l8r,
Kolvedic
powerbox g4 12"
rendezvouscp said:
Type a post in Blogger using FireFox and tell me if you see a few extra features...
Blogger compatibility
TrenchMouth said:
Wow, I can't believe I went a year without knowing that Blogger had all those cool features. Now I wish I used Blogger... (unless WordPress has features like this I don't know about! *storms off*).
-Chase
Addition 'cause I didn't want to have two consecutive posts:
Grr, so WP has neat features like this too. Now, I might switch to FF due to Safari's lack of these features.
-Chase
seashellz said:
Why do you prefer Camino over, say... FireFox?
Seriously, I'm used to FF from the Windows side, found it a natural step to move my settings to my Mac install, etc. Is Camino a lot prettier, or something? How up to date is it with all the underlying technologies FireFox uses?
artifex said:Why do you prefer Camino over, say... FireFox?
Seriously, I'm used to FF from the Windows side, found it a natural step to move my settings to my Mac install, etc. Is Camino a lot prettier, or something? How up to date is it with all the underlying technologies FireFox uses?
Camino is made for the Mac more than FF, so it takes advantage of Mac-specific features. FF is practically limited by what can be done in all three major OS's, so FF doesn't take advantage of a lot of Mac capabilities (Deer Park might change things a bit though). Camino is only for the Mac, making it (generally) a better Mac browser.
-Chase
Looking at the code for some of those sites mentioned, you can see that it's not CSS or HTML that is the problem, it's badly coded javascript. A couple of the sites, such as the ticket site detect either IE or Netscape in the user agent string and do different things depending on that - there's no fallback for other browsers. So it's not really Safari's fault, it's the site designers.
If you come across a site like that, rather than use another browser or switch the useragent in the debug menu, tell the site owner that their site doesn't work and why. Until people do that, they probably don't know they are losing customers and are blissfully unaware how many Safari users there are.
If you come across a site like that, rather than use another browser or switch the useragent in the debug menu, tell the site owner that their site doesn't work and why. Until people do that, they probably don't know they are losing customers and are blissfully unaware how many Safari users there are.
I tried the edmunds site w/no problem under safari 1.2, the pgawest site did give me problems. There will always be some sites that are still coded for IE specifically, or as other's mentioned, just have poor web/java scripting in general. This is the unfortunate downside to MS pushing the IE browser and not following standards. Now that MS and IE are associated with virus problems, we have seen more people getting back to standards. FF and other browsers coming back in to the market are also helping this.
For me, I don't understand the people who complain about Safari because it doesn't work with some sites, or is missing that feature or this. IMHO, ANY browser is better than IE. Camino gives me problems with some sites, so has FF, Safari and Omniweb - but in general they ALL work for 98% of the websites I use on a regular basis. Some also have different features, that is why I narrowed my choices down to Safari and Camino - they are what work best for me and I like. Choice is good and I am happy not to choose IE.
For me, I don't understand the people who complain about Safari because it doesn't work with some sites, or is missing that feature or this. IMHO, ANY browser is better than IE. Camino gives me problems with some sites, so has FF, Safari and Omniweb - but in general they ALL work for 98% of the websites I use on a regular basis. Some also have different features, that is why I narrowed my choices down to Safari and Camino - they are what work best for me and I like. Choice is good and I am happy not to choose IE.
joeyboy76 said:
Woah, what did you do? Seriously, there's something really wrong with Webkit on your system. I could tell you to repair permissions, but I have a feeling that won't help.
Look to make sure you didn't throw anything away in the Trash, and you might need to go to Apple's website and download the latest update to Safari or Mac OS X to see if things can get straightened out. Good luck!
-Chase
rendezvouscp said:Woah, what did you do? Seriously, there's something really wrong with Webkit on your system. I could tell you to repair permissions, but I have a feeling that won't help.
Look to make sure you didn't throw anything away in the Trash, and you might need to go to Apple's website and download the latest update to Safari or Mac OS X to see if things can get straightened out. Good luck!
-Chase
i did the reinstall of safari from the imac system installation disk.
no luck.
i downloaded the nightshift thingie to supposedly update the webkit
no luck.
i want the reinstallation of the whole system as my final resort.... it's such a tedious task!
joeyboy76 said:
Don't re-install! I just zipped up the WebKit framework found at /System/Library/Frameworks/ and I'm loading it to my iDisk. Replacing mine with yours (if you're running 10.4.2) should fix things. I'll post again when I've uploaded it.
-Chase
EDIT: Woah, my iDisk is being snappier than I thought it was going to be. Here's the framework you need. Go ahead and delete the current one, then launch Safari (it won't launch, btw), then replace it with my new one, and launch it again to see if it works. WebKit.framework Good luck!
-Chase
wow, deja vu.
Safari 2.0
10.4.2
So edmunds.com also didn't render the second page without clicking refresh.
Safari rendering does not bother me too much, i can work around it, perfect? No. Safari, and the apple platform do lack usability compared to Windows IE 5.5+ with respect to plug ins too. There are things that CANNOT be done. And IE is still the defacto standard for web development, quite sad.
I have OS choice working where i do in Commercial real estate, here is my partial list of sites that don't work correctly in safari/apple os:
(you actually may have to be a member or sign up to see the errors, which i don't expect you to do, but this post is a counter to the folks who believe there is nothing wrong with Safari)
http://www.iredonline.com (windows don't render correctly, popups don't spawn, pages don't render like MSIE 5.5 *not developed for safari)
http://www.resultsmail.com (IE for mac or windows required for log in due to the email composition tool. Also will not correctly upload a .CSV file, works using the same file in window browser only)
http://www.xdrive.com (Java based uploading for files and folders, only works once, then you must restart your browser, safari also lacks the adjustable frames that MSIE 5.5+ have.)
http://www.plexisgroup.com/efiniti/index.cfm (Click on the county links in purple on the left column. This demonstrates one of the non-existant plug-in that is available in windows browsing only. Do i think apple should be proactive in making sure there is a mac version of every plugin, yes. This plugin is from autodesk,for windows. This lack of plugin means hundreds of GIS sites won't work for mac people, look for GIS in your area, start by looking for your county homepage.)
http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/ (just an example of menu problems, minor)
http://www.aihsc.org/ (more menu issues,the menu appears at the top of the window, not next to the right arrow, again, minor i suppose)
So my boss loves the macs that i have shown him, in the store and at his office. He would like to adopt the technology. But he does see me move to a windows machine to do web stuff. He would not be happy to go back about 5 years in web technology. I estimate that the sites that are unusable (therefore not available) with safari, especially the mapping GIS ones, effectively take apple browsing back 5 years.
Safari 2.0
10.4.2
So edmunds.com also didn't render the second page without clicking refresh.
Safari rendering does not bother me too much, i can work around it, perfect? No. Safari, and the apple platform do lack usability compared to Windows IE 5.5+ with respect to plug ins too. There are things that CANNOT be done. And IE is still the defacto standard for web development, quite sad.
I have OS choice working where i do in Commercial real estate, here is my partial list of sites that don't work correctly in safari/apple os:
(you actually may have to be a member or sign up to see the errors, which i don't expect you to do, but this post is a counter to the folks who believe there is nothing wrong with Safari)
http://www.iredonline.com (windows don't render correctly, popups don't spawn, pages don't render like MSIE 5.5 *not developed for safari)
http://www.resultsmail.com (IE for mac or windows required for log in due to the email composition tool. Also will not correctly upload a .CSV file, works using the same file in window browser only)
http://www.xdrive.com (Java based uploading for files and folders, only works once, then you must restart your browser, safari also lacks the adjustable frames that MSIE 5.5+ have.)
http://www.plexisgroup.com/efiniti/index.cfm (Click on the county links in purple on the left column. This demonstrates one of the non-existant plug-in that is available in windows browsing only. Do i think apple should be proactive in making sure there is a mac version of every plugin, yes. This plugin is from autodesk,for windows. This lack of plugin means hundreds of GIS sites won't work for mac people, look for GIS in your area, start by looking for your county homepage.)
http://www.appraisalinstitute.org/ (just an example of menu problems, minor)
http://www.aihsc.org/ (more menu issues,the menu appears at the top of the window, not next to the right arrow, again, minor i suppose)
So my boss loves the macs that i have shown him, in the store and at his office. He would like to adopt the technology. But he does see me move to a windows machine to do web stuff. He would not be happy to go back about 5 years in web technology. I estimate that the sites that are unusable (therefore not available) with safari, especially the mapping GIS ones, effectively take apple browsing back 5 years.
jesuscandle said:
I use Safari for 99% of my needs, but I simply cannot view stuff on start.veruzon.net (I think it uses ActiveX or something) and I cannot upload photos to my Yahoo Briefcase. there are a handful of other sites that don't behave with Safari, but they are few and far between.