You're making the incorrect assumption that the US allows foreign governments to spy within the US.
Show me any document that says so.
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You're making the incorrect assumption that the US allows foreign governments to spy within the US.
Show me any document that says so.
There's no way the government is just collecting metadata. No way. They didn't build that monstrous Utah data center to simply keep a giant call log.
Private companies have no incentive to land on Mars. Companies exist to make a profit. Although the upcoming reality TV show to colonize Mars will change that. Interesting that the first attempt to colonize the planet is a private venture.
Really? The postal service? The same organization that costs tax payers billions of dollars every year so that stamps are cheap? I'm not saying that I'm against a government subsidized postal service necessarily, but they are hardly the organization to hold up as an example of government efficiency.
Snowden, the lying traitor that ran away with State secrets to Russia. I've heard of him. He belongs in prison.
State secrets? you mean the American people's secrets that the NSA should not have had to begin with.
We choose our leaders? Uh huh. Sure. Our choices are handed to us by the uber rich and we participate in their theater called democracy. It costs billions of dollars to elect a US president. There's nothing fair or democratic about the whole charade.
I agree with your sentiment that the government isn't interested in most of what it collects. Regardless, I have a fundamental objection to being monitored by my government. I do not believe it is government's job to coddle the public from cradle to grave. They are not my parents. They are not Santa Claus making a naughty/nice list.
Once you give up a bit of liberty, a bit of your freedom, you never get it back. It erodes drip by drip until you have no idea how you ended up where you are. The US used to rail against the Soviets spying on their people. We considered it grossly un-American only a few decades ago.
Today we have been made so afraid of the terrorist boogeyman lurking behind every corner that we have no problem throwing our freedoms away in the name of "safety". Brilliant.
Ok. And since the world has all the documents about what the NSA does, then you can show us the documents that says the NSA is collecting more than metadata about US citizens? Right?
Show us exactly that, instead of showing us the top secret documents that show how the NSA is filtering out American's private communications, doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you suggest.
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Are you implying that metadata is private?
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Not sure what that has to do with Americans' privacy rights?
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That was a general term, and no - they quite obviously didn't shut it down.
Porn filtering is opt-out. Worst case scenario is embarrassed teenagers asking for the porn to be switched back on.
Torrent filtering is excellent, I fully back this. I did it before I started to see what the effects of it are. I've since bought a Photoshop licence, Final Cut Pro and all my music and movies from iTunes.
Social media filtering - think of Ask.fm, Twitter and Facebook are hardly under any political pressure to 'change'. If anything, they do a pretty good job, which leads me to my next point:
It's the PARENTS that are at fault - the government are like childminders to a majority of the population. It is a PARENTS responsibility to control what a child has access to on the Internet. "I can't control what my kid accesses" - iOS, OS X and Windows have solid parental controls, again the PARENT is not enabling these features. The education system does a pretty good job at educating children of the dangers on the Internet, unfortunately the minority spoil it.
I'll say this: I'm far right-wing and I think the current government is too soft. We need another Thatcher to fix the country. And I'm a son of a heavy coal mining equipment engineer - he got the full blow of Thatcher, and he thinks the same as me, they're too soft.
Do you even know what metadata is and how it's used?
Metadata is your digital footprint online and can track you just about anywhere.
You don't have a problem with that? So we can also assume that you don't mind if your medical records are published or your social security number? Or would you like us to watch you sleep and shower?
I don't have a problem with metadata collection.
Private data collection is entirely different.
Do you know what the difference is between data and metadata?
Also, LOL @ government knowing your SS#. so funny.
What do you think metadata is? It is private data about you.
And I don't think you want your SS published.
He doesn't want to be private is what I am saying, so he should not care if we see everything he is doing. That is what the NSA is collecting.
When the NSA has a tap on the fiber cables leaving Google it is sucking everything that travels across the net.
No, metadata isn't "private". It is publicly readable by routers and equipment on the networks.
it is equivalent to the address label on the envelope of mail.
And why would government "publish" anything? Where do they "publish' it?
To me, privacy would be defined by keeping my personal data private from other people and 3rd parties that would want to exploit or sell it - not a computer, that will scan and discard/store forever 100% of my activity log.
If scanning my, your and my dogs activities prevents another 9/11, then I'm all for it. People just need to wake the **** up - war is conducted on the Internet every day.
It surely didn't keep it secure, and it should not have it at all. There is no reason for mass collection of any data. That is in strict violation of the 4th amendment. They need to have a reason to collect data on somebody. Not no reason to collect data on everyone.
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We don't know what they are doing with that data, because they won't tell us. It didn't prevent the Boston bombings or the attack on the embassy. Isn't that what this whole program is supposed to prevent. Plus they had data on 9/11 before it happened. It isn't like the NSA just started 8 years ago.
Is the USPS a publicly-traded company?
I hope so, because I see an uptick in their profitability in the near future.
I hope so, because I see an uptick in their profitability in the near future.
Smith vs. Maryland Supreme court case has already decided what's private or not, according to the 4th amendment.
If it's public, government has the right to collect it.
And there are plenty of good reasons for mass metadata collection.
Nobody cares about PRIVATE phone calls or ENCRYPTED data.
This is a discussion about metadata, NOT private phone calls or encrypted data.
The supreme court has already decided that metadata isn't private.
Absolutely wrong. I've been around for a long time as well.
1) Government is far more invasive than it ever has been. If recording all phone conversations, recording all emails, recording all text messages, tracking location data through as many smart phone apps as possible... if all that isn't indicative of the government getting worse, nothing could possibly convince you and this is a pointless conversation.
2) Religious rights are being eroded. Nearly all religious groups are being sued nonstop to prevent religious activities. Hence next to no municipalities in the country still refer to "christmas" events. They have been forced to call it "holiday". Noone 20 years ago would have dreamt that possible. They are now forced to do things that violate their beliefs (provide contraception, provide services to people that violate their beliefs, etc).
3) Free speech rights are being eroded. If you don't see the government targeting groups that think certain ways politically, you are either blind or just happen to not like those groups so you do not care (in which case you will have to wait until the shoe is on the other foot and the government targets groups that you DO like.
4) Government can now do pretty much anything it likes. If they can now pass legislation (obamacare) forcing citizens to buy a service/product, under the guise of the commerce clause, there is nothing left. And when the president says that if congress does not do everything he wants via legislation, he will just do whatever he wants via executive orders.... our system of governance is fundamentally changed.
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Yea, thats why they have admitted to having tapped and listed to phone calls from the German Chancellor, and the Pope. Because those are people we are worried about doing those horrible criminal acts.
And you guys make it soooo easy for the government to pull this stuff off. You read an article on this stuff, and your first quiff is "oh, angry birds". As if that's all you have to take away from it.
1) they don't do that with US citizens. Since Snowden released all the documents, show us the documents that prove otherwise. Everything released so far confirms that they don't.
2) lol wut? so what? who cares?
3) people have more freedom of speech now than ever before, with social media.
4) Throughout history, government has always been able to do anything it wants. That's just a basic ability for anything with power, and government has always had the most power.