That isn't sound logic. You suggest it's okay to do something, as long as they don't do it to you.
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That isn't sound logic. You suggest it's okay to do something, as long as they don't do it to you.
Wow. Well, you either are very uninformed information wise, or in complete denial. Your point 2 (saying who cares), says more than anything anyone needs to know. I guess only your rights or the ones that matter to you are important. That is so scary, because if you value your country and your constitution, you want to protect ALL rights.
Wow why do I or others even bother responding to people that clearly know nothing about the history of this country, its fundamental principles, and the various other governance options that exist throughout the world.
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I think we should give up talking to this guy. Seems pointless.
No, actually he didn't reveal any of those. He revealed state secrets that he swore to protect, he took those secrets first to China and then to Russia. He's a low life traitor who deserves to be in prison.
Do you not think people should have the right to practice religion and believe in whatever they want?
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State secrets regarding what?
That's a secret.
That's all you have to know.
"Trust me, I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
Right, but again, why are you singling out Cook when Google's Schmidt has made similar assurances (which are even less believable). That's all.
You are vastly underestimating the danger coming from mass collection of meta-data. In fact, I would argue that meta-data collection is more dangerous than content collection, because it is easier to machine-analyze.
Would you like if some detective was constantly surveilling you, reporting to the government where you go, who you talk to, what phone numbers you dial, what you look at, what you read, what you purchase, every day, 24/7? These are all things equivalent to the meta-data that the NSA collects. Just that the NSA does not have to send out detectives to surveil specific targets. They simply collect the data on almost everyone, and store it for many years in case it might become useful later.
Now consider the potential for abuse. Cannot happen in the US? Well, how about a crook like Nixon comes to power again who'd like to tap into that data to try and influence an election? Or a power-hungry bureaucrat like J. Edgar digging up dirt and extorting his political opponents? Or perhaps a zealot like Joe McCarthy would like to start a witch hunt based on "suspect" political leanings, e.g. picking out people who looked at the "wrong" web sites? And didn't we just recently have a few cases of the government going after journalists and whistleblowers who were publishing unwelcome facts?
This was in the 1970s, when mass collection was not technically feasible and the word "datamining" didn't exist.
Did you read the part where he describes how 'loosely' domestic is defined? Or the part about how incredibly weak the filters are?
Or why don't you explain to us why the agency is trunking major internet backbones?
Or perhaps how this program has not actually benefit us in any way ?(concluded by the same board that had access to classified information)
They are doing it because they can, not because they have a need to.
The NSA cares about private phone calls and encrypted data. That is why they are trying to crack it.
I think your condescending question is intended to make you feel smug. But do you know what metadata is? Metadata is data. DUH! That's why the word data is part of the word metadata. Metadata is a whole lot of stuff, and is often more useful than actual content of communications.
For anyone who doesn't understand why metadata is so useful, you can search The Google for 'using metadata to find paul revere'. That will show you just how much metadata reveals about a person.
And perhaps you, mozumder, could explain your legal theory behind the extrapolation of Smith V. Maryland to every phone call made in the U.S.
It sure seems that way, unless of course you believe this guy...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ecifically-targeted-americans-not-foreigners/
Here, try google in the future.
yes...you do realize that was a movie and not reality, right? ...even if that is possible, (not saying it isn't), why the concern? You think the NSA is going to hook one of those gadgets up to your home? ...The military might have a very limited number of any such device for use in only certain situations.
Really? Do you have any idea how much data you are talking about? They would have to have servers larger than google, yahoo, hotmail, apple, and all the others that supply email accounts combined. Ridiculous. This is part of what I mean about people not using common sense.
Every move everyone is making is not being tracked, ...heck, they can't always track the much, much, smaller number of planes in the air properly! ...the government does not have the time or resources for this...think people, use your heads, stop letting the media and paranoid people brainwash you. ...again, common sense.
Again, too many dang crime TV & movies...it's just not like that, not so easy.
That's the FBI. The FBI is the organization that targets Americans. The NSA deals with foreigners.
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For foreigners, which is their job.
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They do it because it's useful for their job we pay them to do.
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Metadata is useful, which is why the NSA collects it.
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It's government's role to lead, not to follow.
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You are vastly underestimating the danger coming from mass collection of meta-data. In fact, I would argue that meta-data collection is more dangerous than content collection, because it is easier to machine-analyze.
Would you like if some detective was constantly surveilling you, reporting to the government where you go, who you talk to, what phone numbers you dial, what you look at, what you read, what you purchase, every day, 24/7? These are all things equivalent to the meta-data that the NSA collects. Just that the NSA does not have to send out detectives to surveil specific targets. They simply collect the data on almost everyone, and store it for many years in case it might become useful later.
Now consider the potential for abuse. Cannot happen in the US? Well, how about a crook like Nixon comes to power again who'd like to tap into that data to try and influence an election? Or a power-hungry bureaucrat like J. Edgar digging up dirt and extorting his political opponents? Or perhaps a zealot like Joe McCarthy would like to start a witch hunt based on "suspect" political leanings, e.g. picking out people who looked at the "wrong" web sites? And didn't we just recently have a few cases of the government going after journalists and whistleblowers who were publishing unwelcome facts?
This was in the 1970s, when mass collection was not technically feasible and the word "datamining" didn't exist.
Government has the right to do what it wants with metadata.
I posted this in an earlier post and I will post this again:
A lot of people think like you. I was thinking this way too until I saw a report of an innocent guy who ended up on a no-fly list by coincidence.
He hasn't done nothing wrong. Just like you and me. He was doing business trips at the wrong place at the wrong time doing innocent everyday things but the NSA saw a pattern in his behavior that terrorists used to have. So they did put the potential-terrorist-supporter tag on him and he ended up on the no-fly list and could not fly back to the states. There is nothing he could do cause this is nothing official. There is no way to protest against it if you end up on such a list. There is no court that puts you on such a list. There is no lawyer that can protect you because terrorists don't get their one free phone call every other suspect gets. There are no laws or guidelines about this. This is scary stuff!
This is like in the middle ages where you could get rid of your neighbor just by saying he is doing some kind of black magic and he was gone.
1) It's Opt-in, and they clearly aren't getting that right. It's also a ridiculous thing to block off the bat. It's not illegal, but I would now have to go to an ISP and say, 'yes I want to watch porn', which would be no-ones business but my own and is just a ridiculous situation. Also, let's not pretend only kids watch porn, shall we?
Also, this :
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/27/nsa-files-live-coverage-developments-reaction
2) Before you started to see what the effects of what were? Torrents? My software is bought, but if I can find a live bootleg of a Sigur Ros gig that I've never seen before and I can't find anywhere else, then I might download that off a torrent. There's plenty of interesting stuff on torrent sites that isn't copyrighted software.
3) People being arrested on an almost daily basis for comments made on Twitter. It's ridiculous. And as much as these comments are often unpleasant, what a waste of time and resources for the police that could be better spent doing almost anything else.
4) I find it remarkable that someone who suggests they are as right wing as you are would welcome more state intervention. If it truly is the parents who are at fault, and it's a minority as you state, then why is everyone being punished for the misdeeds of a few. I'll tell you why:
Because it's tripe. In every historical instance where there's been a 'requirement' to roll back civil liberties, there's a bogeyman to legitimise it, in this case and probably for the foreseeable future, terrorism. So we need to watch all your communications, to make sure that you're not a terrorist. That's right, you, the dude who watches porn. Your internet search history might come in handy someday if you ever decide to embarrass the state. It's unbelievable that you could be so naïve as to think this is being done for our benefit.
As I have posted above, there are somewhere between 3-6 million Americans living overseas, like me. I am curious to know how they distinguish my data for foreigners. I suspect they don't. IMO the NSA is not only doing something illegal, but something unconstitutional, and I want to know when the prosecutions for those violations will begin.
That IS a shiny building though.
Just think how many hours it would take to clean those windows?
No problem there.
Dirt doesn't stick to them.
I just finished a trip to London and Southern Africa. On my way, I had a chance to talk with numerous Brits and other Europeans. Of course, they are incensed that they are being recorded all the time by the NSA, but even more so, they are puzzled at why Obama has not yet been forced to resign. Such revelations in Europe would have led to widespread protests, yet Americans have been shockingly blase (can't figure out how to get the accent on the E) about the whole shenanigan.
It's ironic. My wife just drove by a Navy ad 'for our nation, for us all'. I wonder why they don't put up roadside ads garnering support for the NSA? I suppose the plaqard might read 'trust US. It's for the greater good.'
It's ironic. My wife just drove by a Navy ad 'for our nation, for us all'. I wonder why they don't put up roadside ads garnering support for the NSA? I suppose the plaqard might read 'trust US. It's for the greater good.'
And here I thought the government's role was to serve the people.
At least one federal judge has already expressed a different opionion.
They never will. NSA all continue collecting whatever it wants. Any laws passed will be feel good laws that will contain plenty of workarounds for them to continue doing what they are doing. All you have to do is remember ANYTHING you do "online", any communication between you and another system is being collected.