Because that's not how it works. Failed products don't fail forwards. Especially at Apple. Each product and each iteration needs to succeed on its own for it to have a future.
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Poll: When are we going to call time of death on the Vision Pro?
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I love my AVP. It’s already well entrenched in my work flow. It’s made me more productive.
It’s also nowhere near “half-baked.” It’s an elegantly designed device. Can it be improved? Of course. That’s a given. I don’t find it uncomfortable to wear for long hours in the day (5-7 hours per day for work so for). And as I’ve used it more, I’m more impressed.
The point being: it’s already a success for me.
Your mileage may vary.
It’s also nowhere near “half-baked.” It’s an elegantly designed device. Can it be improved? Of course. That’s a given. I don’t find it uncomfortable to wear for long hours in the day (5-7 hours per day for work so for). And as I’ve used it more, I’m more impressed.
The point being: it’s already a success for me.
Your mileage may vary.
‘A financial success and a mainstream irrelevance’
A catchy brag for the next keynote.
WRONG
The original Macintosh relatively bombed. We still have Macs today.
After the iMac, there some hit products, and some duds.
The original iPod was modest. The later iPod mini led to the massive boom of iPods.
The original Apple Watch was considered a failure by your friends here on the forums. It’s successful today.
I think you don’t know what you’re talking about. Success is not linear. Mind boggling that someone thinks that way! The reality is very embarrassing for Apple Vision Pro haters.
everyone you know...
So.. not you personally then. Fantastic insight you have there.
As a big apple fan... I actually do own a Quest 3 and a toy It is NOT.
It is objectively indisputable that its value proposition is far better than the Vision Pro and thats me as an Apple fan saying that.
Other things are available and competition is great. We dont have to worship at the alter of Cupertino unquestioningly.
The Vision Pro is great for the industry - at the very least its got people taking and interested in VR/AR - and yes Meta are going to pick up a lot of new sales when people realise what it can do.
Yeah I'm talking about today. Not 40 years ago. And no the Apple Watch is no such example.
You can pick as many VP exclusive features as you like.
Point is there are many crossover features between the two.
Can Q3 view ebooks and PDFs? I doubt it - never tired myself. The Q3 doesnt have any delusions of being a strap on head mounted iPad.....
Thanks for confirming that I have no interest in Q3. A head mounted iPad may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that's what I want. Not the head mounted part, not really, but since that's the only way currently possible to have multiple resizable iPad windows in front of me, I'll take it.
Oh, and I agree VP will help Meta increase sales of the Quest. People who want a device just for watching movies and gaming will find Q3 the better value for their bucks.
Poll needs a “disagree with OP’s premise” option. At present, I can’t vote.
It’s a decent way to collect data to support your established premise, but no use beyond that.
It’s a decent way to collect data to support your established premise, but no use beyond that.
I don't get it. You (collectively) bitch, piss, and moan for years that AAPL hasn't done any real innovation. And then when they DO come out with a new category-defining device, you pronounce it DOA two weeks into its life cycle.
If memory serves, when I bought the first iPad on day one, people were whining that they had no idea what problem IT was supposed to solve. Same with the first Apple Watch. Even the iPhone had its nay sayers at launch.
Yes, this is a Gen 1 product with all the trials and tribulations associated with being a Gen 1 device. But there's immense room to grow both in VisionOS software and in apps, not to mention in spatial video, for this hardware iteration. And the next version will just build on that.
If you don't want to (or can not afford to) be in on the ground floor, then just step back and watch things unfold. In the words of Thomas Paine (or maybe Gen George Patton): "Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way!"
PS. I get more enamored of my AVP with every passing day, so count me in the LEAD category.
If memory serves, when I bought the first iPad on day one, people were whining that they had no idea what problem IT was supposed to solve. Same with the first Apple Watch. Even the iPhone had its nay sayers at launch.
Yes, this is a Gen 1 product with all the trials and tribulations associated with being a Gen 1 device. But there's immense room to grow both in VisionOS software and in apps, not to mention in spatial video, for this hardware iteration. And the next version will just build on that.
If you don't want to (or can not afford to) be in on the ground floor, then just step back and watch things unfold. In the words of Thomas Paine (or maybe Gen George Patton): "Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way!"
PS. I get more enamored of my AVP with every passing day, so count me in the LEAD category.
well thats fine.
Nobody is disputing that there are differences between the 2 devices.
Competition is a wonderful thing. As the phrase goes... "Pay your money and take your choice".
One thing is for sure though... If Zuck and Meta got wind of the fact that for some reason it was a widely requested feature to be able to read e-books and PDFs on the device (by the way im not saying you cant as there is a files app on there so who knows)... it would be implemented pretty quickly on one of the many updates Meta post for the quest.
While I agree with the overall sentiment (give it some time to mature already!), I disagree with the premise that the AVP is essentially a beta product. I works exquitely well at the tasks it was designed to to and, in my experience, is not particularly buggy. Yes, it IS a Gen 1 product and will only get better as they further refine VisionOS and subsequently improve the hardware in a few years. But it is not a beta product. Far from it.
You might be right. But the reality is the ipod and apple watch are small, non intrusive devices.
The Vision Pro will NEVER be small or not intrusive. Sorry, but the laws of physics say that this device can never be turned into a pair of eyeglasses.
Take a look around a typical flight these days. Hardly anyone other than children or the elderly even use an ipad anymore as its not convenient to lug around a second sizeable device just for media consumption. People are watching movies/shows on their phones.
I just got off a six hour trip yesterday. Plenty of people had either their laptops or were using an ipad. I had my ipad mini with me for my child. Worked perfectly. Not everyone wants to watch a full length movie on a phone screen for 2 hours.
This is like taking the initial sales of the very first iPod or the announcement of the initial iPad as something that won't work out meanwhile both went on to be more than wild successful. This is meant for Devs and super enthusiasts, when it fleshed out and costs $1,600 it'll be all the rage.
Can you post the link to where Apple OFFICIALLY stated that they “only intend on producing and selling less than a million”? I can’t seem to find that anywhere on the internet…
That article is skewed because the author only asked a handful of stores and a single employee at those stores. The author neglects to account for the rest of the country, other employees, and online returns.
Except there are genuine reasons other than solely the cost of the device, that contribute why it is unlikely to not fail. Just because someone has an opinion based on facts, doesn’t mean they cannot afford an Apple Vision Pro
Nothing like seeing someone you love through some screens, when they are directly in front of you, just so you can post on a forum!
Did Apple announce the official sales figures somewhere? I must have missed that. Link please.