You will never get that. There’s zero chance of a new Mac being compatible with a 2+ year old OS.I'm holding out for a new mac mini that runs mac os 10.13 and has user replaceable memory/storage and a SDXC slot.
Time to reassess.
You will never get that. There’s zero chance of a new Mac being compatible with a 2+ year old OS.I'm holding out for a new mac mini that runs mac os 10.13 and has user replaceable memory/storage and a SDXC slot.
I am told the 2014 model was popular with the implant it where the sun don't shine club.I really like my new Mac mini. My next one will be an implant.
Wait. The user folder has to be on the same drive that you are booting from? That's insane! That's new in 10.14? I haven't upgraded yet, and that kind of ruins my plans as I've been doing that since 10.6...I hate my new mini.
Ever since I found out, that in 10.14 you have to have your home folder in startup drive and half a year ago , Apple's prices for ssd were even insanier than today.
To be more accurate, I HATE my new mini's SOLDERED ssd.
But of course, it's my mini, and I won't abandon it!
Yes, so much onion skins with T2 & sandboxing & iCloud & APFS & etc. that if something goes wrong, permissions are fixed like this:Wait. The user folder has to be on the same drive that you are booting from? That's insane! That's new in 10.14? I haven't upgraded yet, and that kind of ruins my plans as I've been doing that since 10.6...
Not until the new Mac mini arrives (don't worry, it's almost certainly coming).There's no way to delete an empty post?
No love for new Minis? Have we finally let this thread run out of steam?
People love the new minis. Very little need for “Where’s my mini?” thread at this point.
It’s only nine months old; I’m sure the posts will pick up as we hit the one-year mark, though my guess is that the mini is likely on a two year update cycle like iMac. Even then, it’s gated by the release of S-series CPUs from Intel.
Pundits (and pros) received the 2018 Mac Mini favourably, but what about average Joes and Jills wanting moderate performer with a decent amount of on board storage at a reasonable price to put on their desk?The new Mac Mini has almost certainly come, and we look forward to it almost certainly coming again.
You can’t compare the old model that has a 500GB HDD to a new model with a 512GB SSD to support claims of a large price increase; that’s comparing apples to oranges.Pundits (and pros) received the 2018 Mac Mini favourably, but what about average Joes and Jills wanting moderate performer with a decent amount of on board storage at a reasonable price to put on their desk?
Most retailers around these parts (Thailand) had the previous generation Mac mini on display, including some for several months after the debut of the 2018 generation. That did turn up at one outlet near where I'm at for now (Phuket), but briefly. I have not seen it on display anywhere of late.... Not even on a trip that took in Korat, Bangkok, and Hua Hin a couple of months ago.
While the 2018 Mac Mini has the specs and performance that are desirable to some, for practical purposes for many consumers it is over priced and underwhelming. The current base model costs 60% more than the previous generation, but comes with just a quarter of the on board memory. (128 GB v 500 GB). Speced with an equivalent 512 GB SSD kicks the price up to a 140% increase in price......
What future does the Mac Mini have?
At present, none for me.... the 2009 Mac Mini on my desk soldiers on. I had been anticipating replacing it with a 2018 model, and would have been prepared to cough up three weeks pay to do so, but at current pricing, it is not a goer.
You can’t compare the old model that has a 500GB HDD to a new model with a 512GB SSD to support claims of a large price increase; that’s comparing apples to oranges.
Yes, Apple eliminated lower-performance SKUs—those with 4GB RAM, HDDs and also Fusion configs. Those were the models that comprised the $499-699 price range.
The previous model in the 8GB RAM/128GB SSD config was $749; the 2018 model with that config is $799. Yeah, that’s a $50 increase (which barely covers inflation btw) but it’s a much improved, much better machine. That $50 buys a lot, albeit overkill for you.
Unfortunately, very few people want what you want—a 4GB/HDD mini. You also can’t get a 4GB, HDD, Fusion or non-retina MacBook Pro config anymore. They’re effectively obsolete and there’s little demand. You can’t expect Apple to keep those SKUs around when so few people want to buy them.
In a couple years you’ll be able to get a good deal on a used 2018 to replace your 2009 mini. That should hold you until at least 2030, maybe even 2035. I’m pretty sure that’s your best course of action, assuming you want to continue running MacOS (and you don’t want a MacBook or iMac).
No, I’m really not relying on 2014 to make my case. If Apple had released a mini every year that they skipped—2015, 2016, 2017—in each case, the 8GB/128GB would have been somewhere in the $749-799 range. The only difference is the performance improvements would have occurred in smaller increments. Where is the price gouging?Much of what you say is accurate, but you can’t compare specs from 2014 to 2018. Technology constantly progresses. I can buy a PC with 8GB of RAM and a M2 128GB SSD for roughly the same price as what a 4GB RAM + 500GB HDD model would have cost in 2014. In the tech world, you generally get better specs for the same price after a 4 year gap. Your logic rests on the premise that it’s still 2014.
I think where Apple went overboard was with the processor. I don’t think the mini needed a desktop chip. U series Intel chips would have been more than adequate. That could have kept costs down a little, and they’d use less energy and run cooler. For the most part, it’s price increase is due to price-gouging. That’s been Apple’s strategy since Cook took over.
But yeah, a guy using a 2009 computer isn’t Apple’s target market. Picking up a used 2012 model makes a heck of a lot more sense than waiting for Apple to release a badly gimped machine in the future.
I'd consider top2012-model, but it can't meet my gpu needs.But yeah, a guy using a 2009 computer isn’t Apple’s target market. Picking up a used 2012 model makes a heck of a lot more sense than waiting for Apple to release a badly gimped machine in the future.
Most retailers around these parts (Thailand) had the previous generation Mac mini on display, including some for several months after the debut of the 2018 generation.
No, I’m really not relying on 2014 to make my case.
High prices in no way began with Cook. People have been complaining about Apple’s high prices for 35+ years. But high priced is much different from overpriced, isn’t it.
Biggest gouging with mini happens with storage.High prices are not new. The strategy of gouging is, however. Cook has implemented this strategy throughout multiple product lines. As Apple sells fewer units, their revenue continues to increase. How does that work? It works by significantly increasing the price-per-unit.
You complain about me using 2014 to make my point—what year should I use, that’s the last model before the refresh—and then you go back to 2011 to try to make yours.You are using 2014 pricing on a 2018 machine. As I said, in the world of tech you can generally get higher specs for the same money as time goes by. For example, between 2011 and 2012, the Mac Mini doubled it's RAM (from 2GB to 4GB) with $0.00 price increase. Then again, between 2012 and 2014 you could get an entry-level model with double the ram (4GB to 8GB) for the exact same $599 price (an increase of $0.00).
What do we see here? Between 2011 and 2014, you could get a Mac Mini with QUADRUPLE the RAM (2GB vs. 8GB) for the same price ($599). Granted, the CPU was worse in the 2014 entry-level model compared to the 2012 model, but that's Apple for you. Specs (in this case, RAM) increased dramatically and price stayed the same. And that was only 3 years. The gap between the 2014 and the 2018 was 4 years.
PC manufacturers had absolutely no problem offering entry-level machines with 8GB RAM in 2018 for the same price as entry-level machines with 4GB RAM cost 4 years prior. This is just common sense.
High prices are not new. The strategy of gouging is, however. Cook has implemented this strategy throughout multiple product lines. As Apple sells fewer units, their revenue continues to increase. How does that work? It works by significantly increasing the price-per-unit.
Neutering SSD speeds to spite your customers is pretty low. Fusion drives are junk. A spinner with a little SSD is another joke Apple plays on us. But we’re not laughing.I don't think most people buying mini need fastest ssd on the planet, but that's the only one Apple is offering.
I would have been perfecty pleased with fusion drive or user replaceable drive.
And at the same time Apple made sure that running a mac from external drive is way harder than before...
Apple has billions of dollars in profits in the bank... so yes, I would say their products are overpriced. That doesn't mean I do not like Apple products or buy them but I sure would like to buy an Apple product at a fair price.Yes, Apple products are expensive. But that doesn’t mean they’re overpriced, does it?
High profit dollars results from selling a LOT of product at prices people are willing to pay, while keeping costs under control. As long as they’re selling in quantities that meet Apple’s expectations, they aren’t overpriced.Apple has billions of dollars in profits in the bank... so yes, I would say their products are overpriced. That doesn't mean I do not like Apple products or buy them but I sure would like to buy an Apple product at a fair price.
You can call it gouging if you want, but profit margin has been stable for many years. Prices are high to cover high expenses, like 135,000+ employees and $1.4 Billion per month in R&D. If people didn’t value Apple’s products at the asking price, they wouldn’t sell.If the numbers were on the table in front of us, regarding what it costs Apple for various capacity SSD flash chips vs. what they charge for the upgrade from X to Y, then there'd be no debate of whether they love gouging.
Don't need to do that, since I myself consider them "fair" because the overall value proposition of macOS is unmatched by Windows/Linux client computing for me.If hundreds of millions of people told you they consider apples prices fair, would you believe them?
And at the same time Apple made sure that running a mac from external drive is way harder than before...