Tim Cook and Other CEOs Urge U.S. Government to Stay in Paris Agreement to Fight Climate Change

[sunapple]

It’s a nice gesture, but talking sense to Trump or human-caused climate change deniers is like talking to a wall. And you know what, so is the other way around because I’m just as convinced I’m right.

Politically, nobody thinks beyond their own term and in the end that will not fix the climate. Long-term is what’s needed in this case. At least that’s what the Paris Accord is about.

 

[Zab the Fab]

Why are we not allowed to hear the opposing arguments? Why have you been denied hearing both sides of the story? Why have you been denied forming your own opinion?

 

[sers]

The climate crisis is nothing but Marxism/Socialism dressed up as environmentalism.

 

[citysnaps]

So tell us, what symbolism is Tim doing in China regarding climate change?

If you're speaking about advocacy with respect to China and other sovereign nations, none. As it should be. And follows other US CEOs, tech and non-tech. That advocacy, and foreign policy in general, is the role of the United States government and Department of State.

Cook and other United States CEOs, however, have an obligation to advocate on behalf of their company and employees with respect to United States matters.

 

[AppleZilla]

Only impeachment or a lost election will keep us in.

 

[Mtmspa]

First it was global warming until the facts showed it was cooling. Changed it to global cooling and finally climate change. What a bunch of BS.

 

[robjulo]

Lol. Why? The are an international company. That is utterly ridiculous and is nothing more (as usual) to spin in favor of Apple. Just think about the logic behind what you wrote.

If you're speaking about advocacy with respect to China and other sovereign nations, none. As it should be. And follows other US CEOs, tech and non-tech. That advocacy, and foreign policy in general, is the role of the United States government and Department of State.

Cook and other United States CEOs, however, have an obligation to advocate on behalf of their company and employees with respect to United States matters.

 

[Glockworkorange]

Often, so-called ‘symbolism’ motivates many to act or ... not act. So much of what moves human behavior is what you would probably call ‘symbolism’.

Why bother to stand up and look at the flag during the national anthem? After all, thats just symbolism.

The total economic cost to the U.S. of the Paris Climate Accord would approach $3 trillion in lost gross domestic product and 6.5 million industrial jobs.

Standing for the flag is free.

What is wrong with you people? Don't you ever follow the money or are you really true believers?

 

[citysnaps]

Lol. Why? The are an international company. That is utterly ridiculous and is nothing more (as usual) to spin in favor of Apple. Just think about the logic behind what you wrote.

Apple is a United States corporation with global operations.

Perhaps you can list a few United States CEOs that engage the Chinese government on foreign policy matters?

 

[m4mario]

I'm not sure how staying in the Paris Accords fixes climate change/global warming/whatever.

It's all just symbolism and virtue signaling.

Tim, call on China to fix their carbon issue. India as well.

You may want to change the source of where you get your news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...years-ago-thanks-to-china-india/#2c6defde6e13

 

[Glockworkorange]

Apple is a United States corporation with global operations.

Perhaps you can list a few United States CEOs that engage the Chinese government on foreign policy matters?

You can't have it both ways.

Virtue signal virtue signal virtue signal rah rah environment

(um...but what about the pollution of the country that manufactures your products?)

Can't engage a foreign govt, sorry. Not my job!

Virtue signal virtue signal virtue signal....

 

[macfacts]

Using Snopes for “fact checking” is like using Buzzfeed as a news source.

How is that so? I didn't know snopes has a reputation as fake information. Do you have a list of respectable organizations or people that have called snopes as fake? Or is that just your opinion

 

[Glockworkorange]

You may want to change the source of where you get your news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevor...years-ago-thanks-to-china-india/#2c6defde6e13

I mean, or this
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How is that so? I didn't know snopes has a reputation as fake information. Do you have a list of respectable organizations or people that have called snopes as fake? Or is that just your opinion

You really think Snopes is non-biased? Lol.

Just what do you know about Snopes?

 

[unobtainium]

If the US hit a carbon neutral status, China and India gains would make it non effective in a few years.

"the U.S. as a whole stopped emitting all carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions immediately," and found that "the ultimate impact on projected global temperature rise would be a reduction, or a 'savings,' of approximately 0.08°C by the year 2050 and 0.17°C by the year 2100--amounts that are, for all intents and purposes, negligible." Under this wild scenario, not only do the rest of the world's new emissions completely replace ours in just 6.6 years, but China's growth alone replaces them in less than 11 years.

If you’re going to quote something you need a source. Furthermore, a reduction of 1-2 degrees Celsius is not at all trivial. For context, the stated goal of the Paris Agreement is to keep the average global temperature from rising 2 degrees or more.

Re. China and India. You also have to look at lifetime emissions of nations. India and China are far behind the U.S. in terms of development. Many poorer countries have made the reasonable argument that they should be allowed to catch up, while those who have already emitted the bulk of the carbon (and thereby become very rich) should tighten their belts first.
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I didn't know snopes has a reputation as fake information. Do you have a list of respectable organizations or people that have called snopes as fake? Or is that just your opinion

It doesn’t. Some people just don’t like the truth, so now they’ve decided fact-checkers are “fake news” too. Welcome to the post-truth world.

 

[citysnaps]

You can't have it both ways.

Virtue signal virtue signal virtue signal rah rah environment

(um...but what about the pollution of the country that manufactures your products?)

Can't engage a foreign govt, sorry. Not my job!

Virtue signal virtue signal virtue signal....

Name a few United States CEOs who directly engage sovereign nations on political matters or foreign policy. Should be easy. Start with China.

 

[BigBoy2018]

So tell us, what symbolism is Tim doing in China regarding climate change?

When any person of so-called 'influence' (Politician, celebrity, etc ... in this case Cook) does something in the public arena, it makes a symbolic gesture to those who like them and/or pay attention to them.

Additionally, as @Moonjumper p said earlier in this thread:

"Economic powerhouses of USA urge USA to stay in worldwide treaty that USA has left for economic reasons.

Being the environmental outsider may have massive economic impacts if the world doesn't want to trade with a country that does not meet their standards."

 

[unobtainium]

Why are we not allowed to hear the opposing arguments? Why have you been denied hearing both sides of the story? Why have you been denied forming your own opinion?

There’s a scientific consensus. There’s no debate to be had. That’s like asking to hear both sides of the story about whether or not the earth is flat.

 

[citysnaps]

There’s a scientific consensus. There’s no debate to be had. That’s like asking to hear both sides of the story about whether or not the earth is flat.

Or whether the US landed astronauts on the Moon in 1969. Amazing there are some who still believe that didn't happen.

 

[rmoliv]

Tim should lead by example and fly commercial flights like everybody else. It’d be one less plane in the air.

 

[ElectricPotato]

The climate crisis is nothing but ...

Climate change exists regardless of your political leanings. Put all the nonsensical "ism" labels you want on it, the temperature is still going up and it is still human activity driving it.

 

[jonblatho]

The climate would change with or without emissions.

Correct. Earth’s climate has changed for billions of years. That doesn’t change the fact that Earth’s climate is changing incredibly rapidly with no discernible natural reason for such a rapid change. (More on that in a bit.)

There's no stopping it. It's a natural cycle. NASA actually knew this a long time ago.

Wrong. While Milankovitch cycles do influence the climate, and you’re correct that there’s no stopping Milankovitch cycles, they occur on a timescale of tens of thousands of years — again, the climate is changing far too rapidly to be explained by Milankovitch cycles. What we’re seeing is occurring on a timescale of decades to hundreds of years.

Seriously, just consider the magnitudes that come up in space. Billions of years. Millions of light years. Do you really expect that Earth’s orbit is changing that violently over just a century?

 

[citysnaps]

Tim should lead by example and fly commercial flights like everybody else. It’d be one less plane in the air.

You would need to lobby Apple's board of directors to change their policy having Cook not flying commercial airlines. Good luck!

 

[Glockworkorange]

Name a few United States CEOs who directly engage sovereign nations on political matters or foreign policy. Should be easy. Start with China.

That's true. But most also shut their mouths and don't go virtue signaling into areas touching HEAVILY on matters of foreign policy, like global warming.

You can say Tim Cook shouldn't have anything to do with foreign policy and on that score we absolutely agree.

But he should stop lecturing about issues that touch heavily on things he shouldn't be engaging.

 

[212rikanmofo]

Climate change is a big hoax, just like the Russian Collusion, the Impeachment, etc... Seriously when are people going to wake up. I see the propaganda machine which is the mainstream media has brainwashed a lot of people still. Do your brain a favor and stop watching that toxic stuff, not unless you like your brain being programmed to the point where you can't even think logically for yourselves. If you want to know the truth, take the time to do your own research.

 

[Glockworkorange]

You would need to lobby Apple's board of directors to change their policy having Cook not flying commercial airlines. Good luck!

He should just FaceTime everyone.