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I7guy

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The issue now is NOT whether the App Store will get broken up OR NOT, it's who will get the Credit for having made it happen !

That person OR persons will be able to write their own ticket in the future !

I don't think it will be Epic OR Spotify, & I don't think it will be select members of Congress.

There are others out there who have been Off the Radar, who have been building their cases !

I'll put my money on one of them !

And BTW, they are ALL App Devs !
Don't count your chickens until they hatch...as the saying goes.
 

erniefairchild1

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Typical apple response. :eek: Moving away as we speak. I have to pay off my wireless contract in order to move to another device. Simple. ahhhh the spin!
Good riddance. I bet the store employees will be happy you won’t be coming around to torture them anymore, endlessly complaining that you cant delete the Music app lmao
 

erniefairchild1

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I've explained in my previous post. You OCD is blocking your vision :D :D :D
It’s really pathetic that people are trying to get the government to force a company to do things the way they like not for legitimate legal reasons, but because they would prefer the change. Absolutely sickening.
 
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Steve Adams

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Good riddance. I bet the store employees will be happy you won’t be coming around to torture them anymore, endlessly complaining that you cant delete the Music app lmao
I don't goto an apple store. it would be a 3 hr plane ride or a 8 hr drive with a 5hr ferry ride just to get to one. That's how popular they are here. Only best buy sells apple in one store here, and only the carriers sell the iphone. Oh, and FYI, I don't go to stores complaining about anything with my phone constantly. Only here, since it seems to piss you off to no end. ?
 

pacalis

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As far as I see it they can’t have it all their own way. If they want to lockdown the ecosystem and charge high prices for hardware, fine. BUT, users must have economical repair routes. These devices CAN be viable for a decade of use or more, parts and diagnostic tools should be made available to repair shops. put an end to flat repair fees of hundreds of dollars when it could simply be a blown fuse. These repair policies are the true criminal part of their business model.

Same with german luxury vehicles. I want the government to make my repairs cheaper. Criminal. Waaahhhhh
 

insoft.uk

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Apple already lets you delete pre-installed apps, except for the vital ones which actually make your phone work.
You can’t delete any pre-install apps on iOS, it basically hides the app and the AppStore simply un-hide the app
 

Schismz

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Ahhh. Gotcha. We have quality up here, but it comes at a great cost. Our 20gb shared plan is 220 bucks a month. And that's on an Employee plan from my wife who works in healthcare. The regular plan is 30 percent higher. We are getting gouged up here royally. At this point, I would gladly pay 200 bucks a month for unlimited highspeed useage as I would get a hub with a sim card and ditch my ISP all together then. But that will never happen here.
You guys also still have the Bell System! This was shocking to me when I got off a plane in Toronto and saw an actual still-working phone-booth with a Bell logo on it. It wasn't an antique in a display case, it was just like, oh hey, this is reality, phone booths at airport with Bell logos, plus, also, the Teamsters? They exist in Canada too!

Canada is like a strange alternative universe where many things that ceased to exist within the US a long time ago, are alive and well.
 

5H3PH3RD

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Cool. maybe that was a new addition. I am sure I tried to remove music and it would not let me. Thanks for that one. Next up. how do I arrange my app dock the way I want, not the way apple wants?
Not sure I understand your question. Just out what you want on it, including folders and remove what you don’t want…
 

sw1tcher

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Apple has a 13% market share in China where it is the 5th largest smartphone company.

They have 21% of music.

The app store represents about about $70B of the $600B market for software.

Sorry, but I see substantial competition in ALL of Apple's major markets.
Uh.... the discussion between me and I7guy was about Ma Bell and how much better off I7guy thinks we'd be if Ma Bell wasn't broken up. Why'd you bring up Apple? :rolleyes:
 

macsimcon

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Rather than pass antitrust legislation against the healthcare industry, or the energy industry, or cable providers, they target...Apple? Imagine the benefits to consumers if we had real competition, hundreds of companies, offering healthcare, oil and gas, and Internet services.

Congress sucks. This is an outrage. They're targeting Apple because Apple doesn't spend enough on lobbying and bribing members of Congress. It's disgusting.
 

Steve Adams

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Not sure I understand your question. Just out what you want on it, including folders and remove what you don’t want…
IN the dock, how can I arrange the apps into the "4 spaces I want" instead of the spaces apple chooses? Also it seems the catagories in my dock keep switching positions so that they are in different places at different times. Like "entertainment" that houses my radio player canada app and sirius XM app was on the right side of my phone 2 catagories down, then, the next week it was on the left side one down from "recently used".
 

Steve Adams

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You guys also still have the Bell System! This was shocking to me when I got off a plane in Toronto and saw an actual still-working phone-booth with a Bell logo on it. It wasn't an antique in a display case, it was just like, oh hey, this is reality, phone booths at airport with Bell logos, plus, also, the Teamsters? They exist in Canada too!

Canada is like a strange alternative universe where many things that ceased to exist within the US a long time ago, are alive and well.
Bell is a Carrier here. I can't believe you still have AT&T? That's like OLD or something. Yes, we are. We still have manners, dignity and respect each other!
 

Karma*Police

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Normally, I'm a free market kind of guy, but FB, Google and Amazon are definitely monopolies and should be broken up IMO. Ironically, the DoJ sued Apple and ensured Amazon would eventually grab 90% of the book market.

Apple is definitely not a monopoly, but they should never have colluded to remove Parler. It was hypocritical considering there was nothing on Parler that wasn't already on FB and Twitter. That frightened a lot of people, and rightfully so, as big tech demonstrated how easily they can eliminate entire businesses (and all the livelihoods that go with it), and more importantly, infringe on our freedom of speech.
 

hans1972

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How exactly could consumers be harmed? By not spending as much perhaps? I see Million Apple fans crying over not being able to spend their dollars on air tags and home pods.

N. Pelosi: "We wont allow the customers to consume as much anymore!"
Apple: "But but.... the poor consumers, they need to!"
Consumers: "Thank you Apple! We almost had a nervous breakdown..."

* multiple stores to get the apps their want.
* multiple payment options
* to deal with more entities when somethings goes wrong or you want your money back.
* having to deal with different stores with different rules for paying, getting money back, making a complaint etc.
* search multiple stores to find what you are looking for
* having to spend time to learn about the quality, the policy etc of every new store
 
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Schismz

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Normally, I'm a free market kind of guy, but FB, Google and Amazon are definitely monopolies and should be broken up IMO. Ironically, the DoJ sued Apple and ensured Amazon would eventually grab 90% of the book market.

Apple is definitely not a monopoly, but they should never have colluded to remove Parler. It was hypocritical considering there was nothing on Parler that wasn't already on FB and Twitter. That frightened a lot of people, and rightfully so, as big tech demonstrated how easily they can eliminate entire businesses (and all the livelihoods that go with it), and more importantly, infringe on our freedom of speech.

Agreed. In retrospect that was funny in a sad way, I also lost so much money shorting Amazon's stock in the late 90s/early 2000s -- because, being real, this is a pump n' dump, the P/E ratio is like 3,000+ and their business plan can be summarized as, "we intend to lose 100s of millions of dollars slower and decrease our burn rate, because we've almost completely destroyed brick & mortar stores! Gettin' there, just a few more years!!!" -- that I eventually just gave in and became a long-term shareholder, because it's the pump n' dump that could!

While one of the above is not like the others (Apple), setting aside their differences, working together and adopting a bi-partisan approach, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, and whatever companies Elon Musk is promoting this week, should just purchase the US government, and give every politician something productive to do with their lives, like working at an Amazon warehouse. K'tnx. The CIA doesn't actually need the illusion of the magical picture show to continue running our country and deciding what 17 different wars its urgent for the US to participate in, and the Rothschild family via the FED can continue controlling all the Monopoly money without middle-management -- elected officials who are essentially sock puppets -- getting in the way of organized crime.
 
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5H3PH3RD

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Bell is a Carrier here. I can't believe you still have AT&T? That's like OLD or something. Yes, we are. We still have manners, dignity and respect each other!
Maybe take a screenshot. Still not understanding you - dock is fully customizable.
 

Karma*Police

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Like MacRumors rules for appropriate debate infringes on our freedom of speech?
I get your point but MR doesn’t have the power to put people/organizations out of business. Furthermore, Apple shouldn’t discriminate by applying one set of rules to one party but not to others just because one party is expendable while the others are not.

It’s that combination of market power, unfairness and colluding with other tech giants that opens the door to antitrust scrutiny.
 

I7guy

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I get your point but MR doesn’t have the power to put people/organizations out of business. Furthermore, Apple shouldn’t discriminate by applying one set of rules to one party but not to others just because one party is expendable while the others are not.

It’s that combination of market power, unfairness and colluding with other tech giants that opens the door to antitrust scrutiny.
But I believe in the same vein that Apple doesn't want the app store to turn into a hate filled, gambling/porn business, they should have the discretion to make some decisions...even if they are not popular decisions.
 
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avz

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But I believe in the same vein that Apple doesn't want the app store to turn into a hate filled, gambling/porn business, they should have the discretion to make some decisions...even if they are not popular decisions.
The higher you are up the ladder the more your hands are tied and for a very good reason. This is why you can never truly compare Apple with MacRumors.
 

Steve Adams

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Maybe take a screenshot. Still not understanding you - dock is fully customizable.
Sorry, not the dock at the bottom, the App dock where the apps are grouped into categories. If I can change that around I would like to know how to do it.
 
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