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nfl46

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Incredible video, but we need more of this. 5 mins every few months not enough. Clearly the future though.
Yes. I canā€™t wait to see how this improves over the year. The next 5 years will be really exciting in that space.
 

athousandbands

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It isā€¦.Iā€™m literally flooded. Omggg! I am shocked at the video. If weā€™re getting this type of stuff in the futureā€¦oh. My. Gosh. Itā€™s game over for others. Lol.
Does it fully block screen capture? Iā€™ve heard a lot of people describe the press/store sports demo but Iā€™d love to see at least a screenshot.
 

Roller

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Look, a screenshot wonā€™t do you any justice. It will just look flat like any other pic out there. You have to be immersed in it with the VP.
I just looked at the MLS demo. I don't watch much soccer ā€” I'm much more a college football fan. Still, this feels much closer to being present than TV. The directors will have to decide which camera to use as the players move around the field, and I wonder if that will seem more jarring than on conventional broadcasts. Also, viewers are accustomed to close-ups of action, like replays that show if a player was down before a fumble. For those things, I think there'll be a need to display virtual 2D screens over the immersive view, much as people at a game can see them on the stadium's display.
 
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athousandbands

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Look, a screenshot wonā€™t do you any justice. It will just look flat like any other pic out there. You have to be immersed in it with the VP.
So itā€™s contained inside a rectangle? Or is it expansive like the environments? Would really love to see a screenshot.

Othwrwise as long as VP owners refuse to show us Iā€™ll just assume itā€™s actually disappointing and you all just donā€™t want to admit the $4k device doesnā€™t deliver šŸ˜‚
 
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OriginalAppleGuy

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I just looked at the MLS demo. I don't watch much soccer ā€” I'm much more a college football fan. Still, this feels much closer to being present than TV. The directors will have to decide which camera to use as the players move around the field, and I wonder if that will seem more jarring than on conventional broadcasts. Also, viewers are accustomed to close-ups of action, like replays that show if a player was down before a fumble. For those things, I think there'll be a need to display virtual 2D screens over the immersive view, much as people at a game can see them on the stadium's display.

I don't watch much soccer either. But with these views I certainly would. What would be neat is being able to choose where you want to view the match. Perhaps have dots you can pinch and BAM, that's the camera you are viewing.

Agree having a "main" screen in the view to see the field like you are watching it on a regular TV would be nice.
 

OriginalAppleGuy

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So itā€™s contained inside a rectangle? Or is it expansive like the environments? Would really love to see a screenshot.

Othwrwise as long as VP owners refuse to show us Iā€™ll just assume itā€™s actually disappointing and you all just donā€™t want to admit the $4k device doesnā€™t deliver šŸ˜‚

It's expansive. Just go to a soccer game and look around you. Now imagine you are actually down on the field - a players point of view. THAT is what you get. You can't get a picture of it to experience what it looks like outside the headset.

Another way to look at it is panorama pics. You may know how they look on your phone, TV, etc. But in the VP - they come alive like you are sitting there.

If you don't understand these concepts and how incredibly awesome it is, you have to go strap the $4K device on your head and see what we are talking about.

And - to follow up on your last in kind - we refuse to show you what it's like here, because we don't hang out with the riffraff. Now pardon me while I go for my mudding, caviar and champagne šŸ¤£
 

athousandbands

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It's expansive. Just go to a soccer game and look around you. Now imagine you are actually down on the field - a players point of view. THAT is what you get. You can't get a picture of it to experience what it looks like outside the headset.

Another way to look at it is panorama pics. You may know how they look on your phone, TV, etc. But in the VP - they come alive like you are sitting there.

If you don't understand these concepts and how incredibly awesome it is, you have to go strap the $4K device on your head and see what we are talking about.

And - to follow up on your last in kind - we refuse to show you what it's like here, because we don't hang out with the riffraff. Now pardon me while I go for my mudding, caviar and champagne šŸ¤£
Ok so it looks like the moon environment then?

I just feel like if MKBHD and other vloggers can deign to screen record the vision interface and in the process provide us motion-sick Americans with a flavor of what itā€™s like, surely an MR friend (not you) can provide a glimpse of the first at-home immersive sports experience via the nine seconds it takes to snap a screenshot or video or whatever DRM allows.

For instance bloggers showed us the new MLB app yesterday and it was more informative than text description. Also a specific text description would be great!

Iā€™m not looking to be immersed, I just want to get a sense of it. Anyone?
 

OriginalAppleGuy

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Ok so it looks like the moon environment then?

I just feel like if MKBHD and other vloggers can deign to screen record the vision interface and in the process provide us motion-sick Americans with a flavor of what itā€™s like, surely an MR friend (not you) can provide a glimpse of the first at-home immersive sports experience via the nine seconds it takes to snap a screenshot or video or whatever DRM allows.

For instance bloggers showed us the new MLB app yesterday and it was more informative than text description. Also a specific text description would be great!

Iā€™m not looking to be immersed, I just want to get a sense of it. Anyone?

Yes, itā€™s similar to the moon environment.

No idea how the vloggers like MKBHD record the VP screen when using it. Perhaps they airplay it to an app? Iā€™ve tried to screenshot and video record, but the soccer film disappears. Tried in the MLB app as well but the video blanks out.

Good luck!
 

OnTheeRize

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Yes when i had a guest use my avp it didnt allow me to mirror the immersive videos they were watching on my iphone. It let me mirror everything else.
 

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Othwrwise as long as VP owners refuse to show us Iā€™ll just assume itā€™s actually disappointing and you all just donā€™t want to admit the $4k device doesnā€™t deliver šŸ˜‚
Look, the AVP haters chased many of us away. And now you complain that we don't respond to your desires and then make an absolutely absurd statement? Thank goodness for the ignore list.
 

Roller

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I don't watch much soccer either. But with these views I certainly would. What would be neat is being able to choose where you want to view the match. Perhaps have dots you can pinch and BAM, that's the camera you are viewing.

Agree having a "main" screen in the view to see the field like you are watching it on a regular TV would be nice.
I tried to relate my AVP soccer experience to what I've observed, heard, and felt at football, hockey, basketball, and other games. When I've attended in person, the ambience was sometimes more impactful than the view, since I often couldn't really see much of the action that was far away from me. The AVP offers some of both, especially since it can show what's happening from multiple perspectives, which isn't possible in person. I would think letting an AVP wearer choose which camera to display at any time might be technically challenging, though it'd be cool.
 
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athousandbands

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Look, the AVP haters chased many of us away. And now you complain that we don't respond to your desires and then make an absolutely absurd statement? Thank goodness for the ignore list.
I asked for a screenshot and if the VP owners had just said ā€œnot possibleā€ right away instead of gatekeeping we could have saved all the posts in the interim.

Iā€™m glad I could make you feel good announcing that people asking reasonable questions deserve to be blocked. Have a great weekend

I was making a joke, hence the emojiā€¦the person I was actually talking to seems to have understood that and yetā€¦
 

mikedop

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Look, the AVP haters chased many of us away. And now you complain that we don't respond to your desires and then make an absolutely absurd statement? Thank goodness for the ignore list.
ā€œrespond to your desiresā€ is a really weird and overdramatized way of saying he wanted a screenshot.

Your comment comes off elitist. Thank goodness for the ignore list!
 
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david.olstein

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3 pilot episodes and nothing else for 2 months is unacceptable for a $3500+ device. They shouldā€™ve had a backlog of content that gets released weekly to keep people engaged.

How can you advertise ā€œimmersive videoā€ and only offer pilot episodesā€¦ where are the immersive videos???!
This. Let's not forget - Apple announced the Apple Vision Pro eight months before it went on sale. So they had eight months to generate immersive video content. And yet, at the time the AVP went on sale, there was only 30-40 minutes of immersive video content available. And in two months, they have added a grand total of 5 new minutes of immersive video content.

This is ridiculous. And the dearth of immersive video content suggests that either (1) generating immersive video content simply isn't a priority for Apple or (2) producing high quality immersive video content is difficult. Neither bodes well for the future of the AVP.

I hate to sound so negative. I'm an early adopter and have used my AVP almost exlusively for listening to spatial audio and watching movies. I think the AVP is a terrific personal home theater. But immersive 3D video could be a real game changer -- if Apple were able to generate a critical mass of content. But Apple has really fallen short.
 

Macaholic868

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This. Let's not forget - Apple announced the Apple Vision Pro eight months before it went on sale. So they had eight months to generate immersive video content. And yet, at the time the AVP went on sale, there was only 30-40 minutes of immersive video content available. And in two months, they have added a grand total of 5 new minutes of immersive video content.

This is ridiculous. And the dearth of immersive video content suggests that either (1) generating immersive video content simply isn't a priority for Apple or (2) producing high quality immersive video content is difficult. Neither bodes well for the future of the AVP.

I hate to sound so negative. I'm an early adopter and have used my AVP almost exlusively for listening to spatial audio and watching movies. I think the AVP is a terrific personal home theater. But immersive 3D video could be a real game changer -- if Apple were able to generate a critical mass of content. But Apple has really fallen short.

I agree. Itā€™s a joke at this point unless theyā€™re holding back on the content until they release the device in more markets but IMO if the content exists and they arenā€™t releasing it shame on them. Itā€™s not the only reason I bought the device but it was a big part of it. The 3D movie library they have isnā€™t going to last forever so they not only need to be producing immersive content to help get the ball rolling but they need to be encouraging studios to release more movies to rent or own in 3D on the platform as well.
 
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someone33

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(1) generating immersive video content simply isn't a priority for Apple or (2) producing high quality immersive video content is difficult. Neither bodes well for the future of the AVP.
It has to be #1. It canā€™t be that hard to produce when porn studios are coming out with high quality VR porn every day that looks about as good as anything Apple has released.
 
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Surf Monkey

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I tried to relate my AVP soccer experience to what I've observed, heard, and felt at football, hockey, basketball, and other games. When I've attended in person, the ambience was sometimes more impactful than the view, since I often couldn't really see much of the action that was far away from me. The AVP offers some of both, especially since it can show what's happening from multiple perspectives, which isn't possible in person. I would think letting an AVP wearer choose which camera to display at any time might be technically challenging, though it'd be cool.

Iā€™d imagine the ideal is something like current F1 TV. With it you can watch two versions of the broadcast (F1 TV and the international feed.) You can also see a screen of live race data and a screen of telemetry for the drivers. Finally, and most impressively, you can choose the car camera of ANY driver in the race at any time. The car cam feed also includes the team radio audio.

So theyā€™re serving around 25 separate feeds to their single channel/event.
 
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