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daveathall

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GG3 is not remotely that flexible. GG3 would instantly shatter the moment you try to flex it.

do we know that for sure? I looked for tests, but couldnt find anything.


No you don't.

The glass shown in the video you posted is Gorilla glass 2, and TBH I would say that it was quite flexible.

This is a better report and video. (One has to note of course that the sapphire screen tested is probably not the same as the one that will be used by Apple, but interesting nevertheless)

http://www.phonecruncher.com/featur...istance_shatterproofing_price_and_weight.html



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iolinux333

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It's not like you just go to some chemical lab and ask someone to run a test for you, he puts the panel in, waits 4 seconds and the computer says "YES ITS SAPPHIRE". Life is not like CSI Miami.

Those instruments are expensive and their operation is nontrivial. The "fragment" probably needs to be prepared and the mass spectrometers must be highly specialised for materials like sapphire (and believe me, it's not like every chemical lab has one of those standing around, free to use and fully operational). The results are pretty tedious to interpret and unless the material is 100% sapphire they pretty much say nothing. X-ray spectroscopy would probably be much more useful in this case, but still:

Scientific instruments are not some black boxes to put stuff in and some magic inside gives you the answer to your question. Even a seemingly simple task like this needs time, people with a lot of knowledge and a lot of money.


Well ya sure but if you toast the sucker and get a big aluminum spike that's kinda a HUGE CLUE lol don't ya think? And there are surely enough Apple Geeks in any Chem dept that would love to run the test.
 

osofast240sx

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No you don't.

The glass shown in the video you posted is Gorilla glass 2, and TBH I would say that it was quite flexible.

This is a better report and video. (One has to note of course that the sapphire screen tested is probably not the same as the one that will be used by Apple, but interesting nevertheless)

http://www.phonecruncher.com/featur...istance_shatterproofing_price_and_weight.html



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Interesting but I think Apple's display is going to be some sort a hybrid mix that we don't know exactly the contents. But it's good to see this sort of competition. The consumers will benefit greatly by not having to worry about broken screens in the near future.
 

daveathall

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Interesting but I think Apple's display is going to be some sort a hybrid mix that we don't know exactly the contents. But it's good to see this sort of competition. The consumers will benefit greatly by not having to worry about broken screens in the near future.

Yes, I definitely agree. :)
 

flatfoot99

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No you don't.

The glass shown in the video you posted is Gorilla glass 2, and TBH I would say that it was quite flexible.

This is a better report and video. (One has to note of course that the sapphire screen tested is probably not the same as the one that will be used by Apple, but interesting nevertheless)

http://www.phonecruncher.com/featur...istance_shatterproofing_price_and_weight.html



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It was flexible for glass but didnt hold a candle to what that kid did in the video. As you have stated, the test done by Corning was probably a full sapphire panel. Apple and GTAT appears to have come up with something new.
 

SgtPepper12

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Well ya sure but if you toast the sucker and get a big aluminum spike that's kinda a HUGE CLUE lol don't ya think? And there are surely enough Apple Geeks in any Chem dept that would love to run the test.
Aluminium is also part of traditional glasses, unfortunately. If you think of a composite of sapphire and traditional glass, I'd assume they put a very thin layer of sapphire on the outside to take advantage of sapphire's superior hardness on top of something like gorilla glass. So most of the panel is still composed like traditional glass. Even if you examine both Gorilla Glass and the Sapphire composite, I doubt that the difference is even significant enough.

Again, something like x-ray spectroscopy or (even something like Debye-Scherrer or Laue) would be much more helpful, I'd assume.
 

dec.

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Let just face it guys and understand that Apple is very good at marketing and getting their customers to believe anything they want us to believe in. From what I understand the harder the glass the less flexable and easier it is to crack. So I'm guessing that why the new iPhones will not be 100 sapphire . :)

What have Apple's statements about sapphire in general, the material that they have been working on in their plant or the material that will be used in the iPhone 6 so far been? Do you have any infos on the way they are "marketing this" and have they "gotten their customers to believe in" so far?
 

daveathall

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It was flexible for glass but didnt hold a candle to what that kid did in the video. As you have stated, the test done by Corning was probably a full sapphire panel. Apple and GTAT appears to have come up with something new.

I agree, the one that the kid tested was quite incredible, one has to wonder how much flexibility for the screen is actually needed in a semi rigid frame though (I am assuming the frame would have some flexibility but don't know for sure).

I am of the opinion that Apple and GTAT have, as you say come up with something new (hybrid?). Tis all looking good for us the consumer.
 

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Toltepeceno

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I agree! Amazing for glass! But also done in a very controlled environment. When I see someone bending it under their shoe, then I'll be really impressed.

Me too, but this video is gg2 and new stuff should be gg3. The point is the person I replied to said it would shatter the moment you try to bend it which is VERY incorrect.

Then again that being bent under they guy's shoe may very well be gg3. It's "supposed" to be something like 30% stronger than gg2.
 
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bushman4

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Everybody making their case for GG OR sapphire glass. Yet we know little about what Apple is doing and the one thing we do know is that Tim Cook has kept his promise of 'doubling down on secrecy '
 

osofast240sx

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Me too, but this video is gg2 and new stuff should be gg3. The point is the person I replied to said it would shatter the moment you try to bend it which is VERY incorrect.

Then again that being bent under they guy's shoe may very well be gg3. It's "supposed" to be something like 30% stronger than gg2.
I will make a GG3 video by the end of the week to prove my point
 

sixrom

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Everybody making their case for GG OR sapphire glass. Yet we know little about what Apple is doing and the one thing we do know is that Tim Cook has kept his promise of 'doubling down on secrecy '

It's easy to be secretive when Apple is still searching for a solution as they stumble through the materials bin looking for an answer, after grabbing headline after headline bragging about sapphire.

The clock is ticking down, good thing the tyrants gone or there'd be hell to pay... Ha...Ha...Ha :)
 

osofast240sx

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You are going to bend gg3?
Yep

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It's easy to be secretive when Apple is still searching for a solution as they stumble through the materials bin looking for an answer, after grabbing headline after headline bragging about sapphire.

The clock is ticking down, good thing the tyrants gone or there'd be hell to pay... Ha...Ha...Ha :)

Who is bragging about sapphire ?
 

dec.

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It's easy to be secretive when Apple is still searching for a solution as they stumble through the materials bin looking for an answer, after grabbing headline after headline bragging about sapphire.

The clock is ticking down, good thing the tyrants gone or there'd be hell to pay... Ha...Ha...Ha :)


What have Apples comments regarding "Sapphire" been so far?
 
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