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I had the misfortune of reading earlier pages of this thread.
The simple science is the vaccine drastically reduces ones chance of getting COVID, which then reduces the chance of that person spreading it. For a person to spread COVID, they need to first get COVID, and the vaccines reduce this chance. The vaccine also is effective at significantly decreasing the severity of cases even when breakout cases do occur.
No the vaccine isn't 100 percent effective. However I don't think there is a single vaccine or medical treatment that is, so with that logic, no one should seek any medical treatment as none of it is 100 percent effective. It's like turning down a modern safe car with Airbags + autonomous saftey features because it's not 100 percent guaranteed to save your life in a crash, and instead choosing a 1960s car with no saftey features whatsoever, and a much higher risk of death.
The reason vaccinated people are concerned about people who aren't vaccinated is that non vaccinated people still pose a heightened risk to their health. Breakthrough cases can occur in vaccinated people. If you have two people in a room, both vaccinated, they have a chance of passing COVID to each other, but the chance of this occurring is reduced science they're both less likely to get COVID. If the scenario changes, and one is vaccinated and one is not, then the chances of the unvaccinated person having COVID are much higher than the previous scenario. The heightened chance of the first person having COVID, means a much heightened chance for the 2nd vaccinated person to then catch COVID in a breakout case. This heightened chance is the same regardless of what the statistics say on how contagious vaccinated vs unvaccinated people are.
That leads us to the even higher chance of transmission between two unvaccinated people. Both people in this scenario are more likely to contract COVID when exposed to it, and thus are more likely to have COVID, thus more likely to spread it to the unvaccinated person, and the unvaccinated person is more likely to then contract it. Both are on top of this far more likely to have a severe case of COVID.
So with that established, that brings us to the fact that a small minority of people have real medical reasons why they can't be vaccinated. These people rely on others getting vaccinated to reduce the chances they'll be exposed to covid and therefore reduce the chances of them contracting COVID. The more unvaccinated people there are, the higher the chance that these people will get COVID, which is unfair on them given many would like the extra protection vaccination offers but are simply unable to take it up.
COVID is serious. Yes while lots of people make full recoveries, there are significant numbers who go on to suffer from 'Long Covid'. Plenty of people suffer from serious cases of COVID which can cause all sorts of serious medical issues with the body. Plenty of otherwise healthy people have become very sick with COVID. Those who say that "oh well COVID only effects those with preexisting conditions" ignore the fact that around 20 percent of adults (18-64)in the US have a preexisting condition which puts them at a higher risk of a serious case of COVD. That's 1 in 5! Then there are all the 65+ who are also at higher risk - the total is nearly 4/10 Americans are at higher risk. - 2 in 5. These are huge numbers of people, not a small subsection of people.
Then theres also the problem of hospitals and ICU departments being stretched beyond breaking point. Medical staff are risking their own wellbeing to treat patients with COVID, who likely wouldn't be in hospital if they'd been vaccinated. This takes away from the resources hospitals have to deal with other patients in critical condition and makes it riskier to operate and treat patients whose health depends on being treated. My cousins are nurses, one works in emergency and it frustrates me greatly that her chances of getting COVID are so much higher because of people who are medically able but refuse vaccination.
If a person's vaccination status had no bearing on other people's wellbeing, there would be a lot less care from others on who was vaccinated or not, but the fact remains that people's choices with regards to vaccination impact others.
Simultaneously believing in and not believing in efficacy of the vaccine…even accounting for not-100%. A person has a right to what they put in their body. I don’t care what any government/agency says. I’m vaccinated. I’m so over people saying get it.. so the vaccinated can be protected from the unvaccinated. I know I can still get COVID but I would never pressure/shame others into getting it. And this BS of telling someone who doesn’t agree with you to not seek medical help..vile. People don’t have to explain their reasons. I know a guy that has a friend who had a stroke from the vax.. try telling his friends to take that jab. It’s not binary.I had the misfortune of reading earlier pages of this thread.
The simple science is the vaccine drastically reduces ones chance of getting COVID, which then reduces the chance of that person spreading it. For a person to spread COVID, they need to first get COVID, and the vaccines reduce this chance. The vaccine also is effective at significantly decreasing the severity of cases even when breakout cases do occur.
No the vaccine isn't 100 percent effective. However I don't think there is a single vaccine or medical treatment that is, so with that logic, no one should seek any medical treatment as none of it is 100 percent effective. It's like turning down a modern safe car with Airbags + autonomous saftey features because it's not 100 percent guaranteed to save your life in a crash, and instead choosing a 1960s car with no saftey features whatsoever, and a much higher risk of death.
The reason vaccinated people are concerned about people who aren't vaccinated is that non vaccinated people still pose a heightened risk to their health. Breakthrough cases can occur in vaccinated people. If you have two people in a room, both vaccinated, they have a chance of passing COVID to each other, but the chance of this occurring is reduced science they're both less likely to get COVID. If the scenario changes, and one is vaccinated and one is not, then the chances of the unvaccinated person having COVID are much higher than the previous scenario. The heightened chance of the first person having COVID, means a much heightened chance for the 2nd vaccinated person to then catch COVID in a breakout case. This heightened chance is the same regardless of what the statistics say on how contagious vaccinated vs unvaccinated people are.
That leads us to the even higher chance of transmission between two unvaccinated people. Both people in this scenario are more likely to contract COVID when exposed to it, and thus are more likely to have COVID, thus more likely to spread it to the unvaccinated person, and the unvaccinated person is more likely to then contract it. Both are on top of this far more likely to have a severe case of COVID.
So with that established, that brings us to the fact that a small minority of people have real medical reasons why they can't be vaccinated. These people rely on others getting vaccinated to reduce the chances they'll be exposed to covid and therefore reduce the chances of them contracting COVID. The more unvaccinated people there are, the higher the chance that these people will get COVID, which is unfair on them given many would like the extra protection vaccination offers but are simply unable to take it up.
COVID is serious. Yes while lots of people make full recoveries, there are significant numbers who go on to suffer from 'Long Covid'. Plenty of people suffer from serious cases of COVID which can cause all sorts of serious medical issues with the body. Plenty of otherwise healthy people have become very sick with COVID. Those who say that "oh well COVID only effects those with preexisting conditions" ignore the fact that around 20 percent of adults (18-64)in the US have a preexisting condition which puts them at a higher risk of a serious case of COVD. That's 1 in 5! Then there are all the 65+ who are also at higher risk - the total is nearly 4/10 Americans are at higher risk. - 2 in 5. These are huge numbers of people, not a small subsection of people.
Then theres also the problem of hospitals and ICU departments being stretched beyond breaking point. Medical staff are risking their own wellbeing to treat patients with COVID, who likely wouldn't be in hospital if they'd been vaccinated. This takes away from the resources hospitals have to deal with other patients in critical condition and makes it riskier to operate and treat patients whose health depends on being treated. My cousins are nurses, one works in emergency and it frustrates me greatly that her chances of getting COVID are so much higher because of people who are medically able but refuse vaccination.
If a person's vaccination status had no bearing on other people's wellbeing, there would be a lot less care from others on who was vaccinated or not, but the fact remains that people's choices with regards to vaccination impact others.
