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Apple Employees at Unionized Maryland Store File Labor Board Complaint After Being Denied Benefits
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The number of people defending a trillion dollar company.
There is a reason US labour laws are comical. Becuase they deserve them.
There is a reason US labour laws are comical. Becuase they deserve them.
As bad as Apple is in retail, NOTHING compares to Amazon’s warehouse workers. I’m surprised they haven’t unionized faster.
Considering that the majority of users here are under 20 years old - it's obvious the ones here who know it all have never been in a union and are just learning to shave.
So here's a juicy bit of info to help y'all.
Apple IS ALLOWED to offer all of the union employees the same benefits as the non-union employees. They would just give the offer to the union who can accept or not. Simple.
That's why when a company wants to take away things - the union will usually deny it. And negotiations start.
Negotiations aren't needed for good things. That's just false.
But Apple wants to play games - pretending they are not allowed to do anything nice for anyone who is in the union.
And it's too bad that many of them, like many here - are uneducated in these things.
Yes, I've been in a union over 30 years, I know how it all works from both sides. I know it won't stop people from posting disinformation but someone here might be interested to know the truth in what 'could' be happening in this situation.
So here's a juicy bit of info to help y'all.
Apple IS ALLOWED to offer all of the union employees the same benefits as the non-union employees. They would just give the offer to the union who can accept or not. Simple.
That's why when a company wants to take away things - the union will usually deny it. And negotiations start.
Negotiations aren't needed for good things. That's just false.
But Apple wants to play games - pretending they are not allowed to do anything nice for anyone who is in the union.
And it's too bad that many of them, like many here - are uneducated in these things.
Yes, I've been in a union over 30 years, I know how it all works from both sides. I know it won't stop people from posting disinformation but someone here might be interested to know the truth in what 'could' be happening in this situation.
Have you ever worked in an Amazon warehouse? Have your ever been in an Amazon warehouse? Workers are generally thrilled to have Amazon opening in their areas. Why? Because they have very competitive pay and great benefits. The workers are free to unionize at any time. Yet, with just a few exceptions, they don't. It's really no surprise. Only for outside folks who presume to know that unions are a panacea for the workers.
One of the basic foundations of labor law is that each union that represents Apple employees must negotiate benefits with Apple for their union members. Unionized employees do not get to pick and choose their benefits cafeteria style based on all the benefits Apple offers. Unionized employees get the benefits their union negotiates with Apple. Apple can legally offer union and non-union employees different benefits, as well as, negotiate different benefits for different unions. Apple cannot negotiate in bad faith.
As a union employee, you get the benefits your union negotiates, nothing more, nothing less.
As a union employee, you get the benefits your union negotiates, nothing more, nothing less.
Sure they are allowed. Yet they are not allowed to take away from union employees the same benefits, or change work rules, or administer performance based layoffs as for non-union employees. At least not without a contract revision. Simple.
My dad was UAW with Caterpillar trucks. Just about everything you said is correct. However, my dad’s experience is different because the company and the union had infamous clashes and strikes, and it got VERY nasty. So nasty during the strike, multiple management personnel couldn’t get to work because people had put tire shredding spikes all over their driveways.
But I’ll tell you what, we had some of the best effing benefits *ever*. Two years before Obamacare was even thought of, the union benefits allowed me to stay on my parents plan until I was 26. And that used to be 30!
Anyway, back on topic.
IAM 751 Machinists at Boeing pay $93 per month. But they also make up to $50 per hour.
Adjusting for CoL in Seattle, that lines up pretty well with Machinists at Caterpillar in Illinois, ironically their local is also 751 (UAW 751).IAM 751 Machinists at Boeing pay $93 per month. But they also make up to $50 per hour.![FRONTsept22.jpg]()
Apple is not an employee owned company. And no, that’s now how it should work.
Is this some kind of criticism of our powerful teachers’ unions?
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I’ve been in the Amazon warehouse in Fort Myers, FL. I’ve also seen Amazon’s mismanagement cause indirect deaths to workers outside of St. Louis during a tornado a year ago.
Workers are free to unionize. but Amazon uses underhanded tactics, intimidation, bullying, and flat out spying on their employees to get their way. That’s not me talking, that was found to be happening in their New York warehouses.
People call this "union-busting", but it's not. The union should go in and ask for exactly the same benefits, and if they get denied, they have a case.
But you have to get negotiating started, and that's what Apple Co is doing. That's actually good practice.
But you have to get negotiating started, and that's what Apple Co is doing. That's actually good practice.
Unions aren't pure good or evil. Corporations aren't pure good or evil. Everything is somewhere in between. Negotiate and find a balance. You know... basic sanity for daily life.
They negotiated different compensation (by contract) for the employees of that store than for any other Apple Store in the world.
They are complaining that other stores are changing the total compensation package and they aren't automatically getting free stuff.
They are convinced many of these will cost them more money. The justification against it politically is usually that if the government manages things like educational or healthcare funding, there's no possibility that it would be done efficiently.
We are exactly what Aldous Huxley predicted. The rich and powerful won't have to oppress us. They will teach us how to keep ourselves oppressed and to love and defend it. Look at the willing participants doing exactly that in this discussion. Amazing how easily some people can be taught to do this. And it's all bound up with patriotism which gives it a little extra punch.
Low pay, hard work, long hours, disrespectful treatment, and non-existent benefits. And profits all flow upward to the executives and shareholders. That's America, baby. Enjoy your pittance. If you disagree, you must be a communist and a whiner and a lefty who just wants free stuff.
Or maybe it's continued record profits, executive compensation, fancy new buildings, and payments to lobbyists to protect their walled garden through legislation as much as possible?
The incremental cost increase for retail employees *pales* in comparison to the take home cash, stock, and perks compensation offered to executives of most companies, and Apple is no exception.
I'm not saying paying for performance is bad. I am not saying keeping labor costs competitive and reasonable is bad. I am saying that somehow misrepresenting the math is.
The multiplier between average retail employee wages and CEO/COO/VP/Director total comp is insane. Sure, there's an experience, skill, etc difference, but anyone who wants to try to justify that Tim Cook should be paid $98.7M while everyone moans about *maybe* $10M worth of total increased spend for thousands or retail workers being the reason product costs are going up simply can't do math.
Which labor laws do you have evidence of Apple violating? Give specific examples.
It sounds like that may have happened in this store - that the employees didn't really understand the pros and cons of joining a union, and only having their benefits and compensation improve when someone else can negotiate such on their behalf.
Thats the crux of unionization - deciding whether you think a third party would be better at representing your interests on your behalf (under the strength of collective bargaining) than your interests would be represented through your employer directly. Just like you can have a good or bad manager, you can have union representation that does or does not represent your needs. In fact, it is entirely possible to have both bad management and bad union representation, just like it is possible to have both be good.
I find it amazing that people who argue emotionally on both sides of this issue from a U.S.-centric point of view completely ignore just how much unionization of Apple employees exists internationally, as well as unionization at Apple's partners. It's not like this is some new concept or new headache for Apple, nor is it something they have taken any sort of retaliatory measure against that I know of.
Oh, and the labor conditions at Foxconn that people often attribute to abuse by Apple? Foxconn has the largest unionized workforce in the world. Doesn't matter when the union isn't properly representing the workers. Apple was the one who got outside auditing of the union, which then pushed for changes toward proper representation.
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No, thaw lawsuit doesn’t have anything to do with this topic. Apple can of course close down then store without any repercussions.I don't think that is possible to shut down the store and fire them. If that would happen, there is going to be a civil lawsuit from each employee. I don't think Apple would be happy about that. Similar to this lawsuit below.
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