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eatrains

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You are putting words in peoples mouths, nobody who has spent 10 minutes looking at the border security issue believes it's a "one and done" expense.

Let's talk though about the massive expense to the taxpayers that illegal immigrants already cost. Lowest income households (<$35,000 annual income which is the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants from southern border) are by far the largest drain on public resources and taxpayer dollars.

So sure, let's balk at spending a few billion a year on border security and instead spend 10X that much on entitlements, incarceration (majority of federal detainees are illegal aliens many behind bars for violent offenses), etc.

You sure are good at poking holes in solutions that have been demonstrated to work without offering any meaningful solution. Letting illegal immigrants with tenuous (90% ultimate rejection rate) claims of asylum live in the US for years draining resources is not a solution.

"The wall is only .11% of the budget." Did I make that quote up? The fact is the wall would cost tens of billions to build and billions and billions more to maintain every year, not to mention the fact that it would require eminent domain acquisitions, that it would disrupt wildlife, and that it simply would not work. It's simply a feel-good symbol to make conservatives feel something.
 

gleepskip

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"The wall is only .11% of the budget." Did I make that quote up? The fact is the wall would cost tens of billions to build and billions and billions more to maintain every year, not to mention the fact that it would require eminent domain acquisitions, that it would disrupt wildlife, and that it simply would not work. It's simply a feel-good symbol to make conservatives feel something.

It's already being built and 4 to 5 hundred miles of it will be built by next year. Sorry to tell you that because I know it might make you feel something.

Perhaps you can remove your own front door in protest.
 
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AustinIllini

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"The wall is only .11% of the budget." Did I make that quote up? The fact is the wall would cost tens of billions to build and billions and billions more to maintain every year, not to mention the fact that it would require eminent domain acquisitions, that it would disrupt wildlife, and that it simply would not work. It's simply a feel-good symbol to make conservatives feel something.
He's completely blind to reality. It's honestly not worth bringing up anymore.
 
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AustinIllini

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Translation:

"we have a weak argument that is being destroyed so let's put this person on ignore and move on".
It's not that our argument is weak, it's that your argument is not truthful. When you are just flat wrong, there's no convincing you of the issue. You may hold the delusion that you're somehow winning an argument, but our lack of response is more out of pity for you and exhaustion of having to deal with someone this uneducated on the issue. It's just not worth bothering with you anymore.

All I can say is just go ahead and read anything. Maybe spend some time away from your beloved Donald Trump. Come back after that.
 

jmpage2

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It's not that our argument is weak, it's that your argument is not truthful. When you are just flat wrong, there's no convincing you of the issue. You may hold the delusion that you're somehow winning an argument, but our lack of response is more out of pity for you and exhaustion of having to deal with someone this uneducated on the issue. It's just not worth bothering with you anymore.

All I can say is just go ahead and read anything. Maybe spend some time away from your beloved Donald Trump. Come back after that.

You aren’t proposing workable solutions.
Letting people enter the US on flimsy asylum claims and then disappear where they will become a burden on US taxpayers is not a solution I or anyone else with a brain is willing to accept.

The hilarious thing is you throw out the "hiding behind your beloved Trump" nonsense out there as a shield when Obama had almost exactly the same policies that Trump has!

  • Warning people not to travel to the border with children because you will be turned away.
  • Building more detention centers
  • putting "children in cages"
  • supporting strong immigration policy
  • deporting millions
  • spending millions on improved physical barriers.

But when Trump does those things, which the overwhelming majority of Americans want you just shriek "Orange Man Bad".

 

eatrains

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It's already being built and 4 to 5 hundred miles of it will be built by next year. Sorry to tell you that because I know it might make you feel something.

Perhaps you can remove your own front door in protest.

Perhaps you can go live in a sealed and fortified underground bunker where you won't be so easily scared.
 

jmpage2

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Perhaps you can go live in a sealed and fortified underground bunker where you won't be so easily scared.

Kind of funny how you are mocking someone for "being afraid" of people breaking into the country illegally when all of your leftist idols live in gated communities and have personal security details.

Why don't you look into the crime rate and violent crime rate along the southern border as it compares to other areas in the USA and get back to me.
 

eatrains

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charlieroberts

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Sometimes while scrolling through twitter I think to myself:

Is the world really this ****ed up?

I try to calm myself by thinking that Twitter just brings out the worst in people and I shouldn't really pay that much attention to what goes on there...

This thread seriously has made me very sad, sad that a forum dedicated to Apple has been dragged down into this level of tribalism.
People that come here to spout intolerant garbage and blatantly false information, make me scared of how far we still have yet to fall, blinded by the lies of their leader, things will get worse.
 
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jmpage2

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Did someone here make that claim?

Pretty sure there's a quote in here at least once where someone claimed that if illegal aliens were a different color that they would be more palatable.

That's a lie.

No, it's a far left opinion openly embraced by increasing percentages of Democrats as the party has been moved further left.

This is the position your party has taken and nobody in the Democratic party has the stones to stand up to it;

Both Republicans and Democrats positions have hardened and become more partisan, but independent research shows that Democrats have moved farther left than Republicans have moved right.


Full disclosure, I am an independent not registered with any political party.
 
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IIGS User

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None of this is gonna matter soon.

Trump will tell everyone about the space aliens at his impeachment trial. Heads will ess-plode, and nothing will ever be the same.

I'm sticking with Kang 2020. I think it's his/her year....
 

citysnaps

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Pretty sure there's a quote in here at least once where someone claimed that if illegal aliens were a different color that they would be more palatable.



No, it's a far left opinion openly embraced by increasing percentages of Democrats as the party has been moved further left.

This is the position your party has taken and nobody in the Democratic party has the stones to stand up to it;

Both Republicans and Democrats positions have hardened and become more partisan, but independent research shows that Democrats have moved farther left than Republicans have moved right.


Full disclosure, I am an independent not registered with any political party.

You said Dems want no physical security. Again, as stated, that's a lie.

"This is the position your party has taken and nobody in the Democratic party has the stones to stand up to it;"

Lies on two counts. First, I'm not a member of any political party. Second, your premise that Dems don't want physical security, is a lie making the notion that nobody in that party stands up to it, a lie.

You seem to believe that everyone who is in the Democratic Party thinks and believes the same thing with respect to policy. Simply astonishing.
 

jmpage2

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You said Dems want no physical security. Again, as stated, that's a lie.

"This is the position your party has taken and nobody in the Democratic party has the stones to stand up to it;"

Lies on two counts. First, I'm not a member of any political party. Second, your premise that Dems don't want physical security, is a lie making the notion that nobody in that party stands up to it, a lie.

You seem to believe that everyone who is in the Democratic Party thinks and believes the same thing with respect to policy. Simply astonishing.

I never said I believe ALL Dems have that position but insisting that NO Dems have that position is equally absurd.

You can look at clips of Dem politicians who were serving in the Clinton era advocating for tough immigration control, that used to be the mainstream position of the Dem party. Now, find me Democrats who believe the US should have strong immigration policy and more physical security at the border including barriers. There are virtually none in Washington who are willing to voice or vote those opinions now even if their constituents disagree with them.
 
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I7guy

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Tim as a politician and a CEO means jack of all trades, master of none. Pick a career and stick with it. You aren't an MLK level humanitarian by forcing Chinese children to work 100 hour weeks for $2/hr to meet shareholders expectations of shipping new iPhones.

Steve is literally rolling in his apolitical grave
Tim is an over-achiever, which is why Steve hand picked him. Which is why he can do multiple things simultaneously and be good at all of them. Of course, ymmv.
 

jmpage2

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Sometimes while scrolling through twitter I think to myself:

Is the world really this ****ed up?

I try to calm myself by thinking that Twitter just brings out the worst in people and I shouldn't really pay that much attention to what goes on there...

This thread seriously has made me very sad, sad that a forum dedicated to Apple has been dragged down into this level of tribalism.
People that come here to spout intolerant garbage and blatantly false information, make me scared of how far we still have yet to fall, blinded by the lies of their leader, things will get worse.

What is "intolerant" about trying to keep your country as a country with laws and rules and consequences for breaking that law? What country are you from, because there's a good chance if it's any Western Democracy it has much more stringent immigration control than the USA does.

Tribalism? I guess so. My tribe is American, whether you're a far right winger or a far left socialist/communist. If you're American then you're part of my tribe whether I think you're misguided or not. I work with many people from countries outside of the US and universally they don't comprehend or cherish the amount of freedom we have here... if anything they are a bit frightened by it. When we accept people into our country and give them legal status beyond a visa stay they need to understand our country, our freedoms and what was sacrificed to achieve them. Someone illegally entering the country might desperately want economic opportunity but in my experience they often flock to the same corrupt ideas that resulted in them fleeing in the first place.

If a forum thread makes you very sad then I'd say you need to get out more.
 
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GuruZac

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I'll stop calling them "illegals" when everyone else stops calling them "dreamers." Way to romanticize what is essentially an unwitting child of a law breaker. Like all the kids born here by parents that didn't break the law to be here don't have dreams?
Totally agree. Dreamers is a politically expedient term.

The other bazaar thing is how a policy being enforced now, but created under the prior administration is a heartless policy now, but wasn’t when enforced by the previous administration. ?
 
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eatrains

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Doesn't take much to scare Republicans into supporting the funneling of billions of dollars into the hands of government contractors. So much for fiscal responsibility...
 
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