Well I guess it's not that bad, but it's way more than the SE for not a lot more function. Maybe $100 less.
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iPhone SE (2016) As an SE lover, I was waiting for the iPhone 12 Mini - now I’m conflicted.
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The 12 mini is missing quite a few Pro features, but it's almost there. No telephoto lens is a dealbreaker for me.
If not having the lens you want is a dealbreaker with the mini, that is fine. That still doesn’t mean it is overpriced.
I have an 11 Pro and my wife has an SE 2020. It’s not a poor man’s iPhone at all. In fact, it reminds me how much of the core experience of the iPhone is in iOS and not the bells and whistles of some of the added hardware features. The most obvious difference is in the screen, and the mini now has an OLED. Personally I think of the SE as a tremendous bargain given the internals.
You would think it would of been more than $150AUD less here v the 12, $300 sounds about right. But $1199 64GB not sure on that. Se is $679.
Agreed. It is absolutely CRAZY that Apple included an A13 in the SE 2020, the same CPU as the iPhone 11 Pro. Even crazier that it costs $400 compared to $1,000.
I only suggested it because you are complaining about the price, the "next smaller" iPhone to the mini, and a cheaper one, is the SE.
Otherwise, buckle up and pay.
Both the 12 and 12 mini are overpriced when you ignore the OLED screen and Qualcomm Chips.
But, most average consumers aren't really thinking about that when they buy a new phone...
hence why I think it's "overpriced" from the viewpoint of the average customer (including normal iPhone-only customers).
12 and the mini should have been fantastic Apple LED, 4g only, at $549 and $649 (or $599 and $699 because why not you're Apple).
this logic only works if we assume that Apple did not create the mini to address the many many people who have been drooling and hounding them for a small flagship spec phone.
Apple did indeed create a flagship spec phone for us, and priced it accordingly... But it really is still a kick in the teeth to have the 6.1" from last year start at $699, and then price the smaller phone at the same price this year, and make the 6.1" device this year at $799.
And, WHY did Apple make the 6.1" at all if they were going to price the mini at $699??? Didn't Apple do just fine last year having the prices $699/$999/$1099? Why does there have to be this middle $799 price this year??? Senseless.
They should have just priced the Mini at $699, and told the 6.1" crowd to go shuv it and buy a pro for 6.1" screen....
But, I get that OLEDs cost a lot of money, and Qualcomm chips cost a lot of money... and that is passed on the consumer..... I just ultimately think that the mini is TOO MUCH, still. And the other small phone available (SE2) is too many compromises at $399 (Intel modem, one camera, lower water resistance)
The SE1 was *NOT* a poor man's iPhone. I brought the specs up for both the iPhone SE1 and the iPhone 6s (both released at the same time). The differences were:
1. Screen: 4" vs. 4.7"
2. Facetime Camera: 1.2 Megapixels vs. 5 Megapixels
3. No Barometer for the SE1, Barometer for the iPhone 6s
4. No 3D touch in SE1, 3D touch with iPhone 6s
5. SE1 does not allow MIMO, iPhone 6s allows MIMO
Everything else is the same
You missed a whole bunch.
6. Touch ID 1.0
7. Series 6000 aluminum (instead of 7000)
8. Qualcomm MDM9625M (from iPhone 6)
9. No Taptic Engine
Face it, anybody paying attention knows the SE was a poor man's iPhone. Apple used cheap parts where possible in an effort to cut costs.
Similarly, Apple emphasized price, price, and price on the SE2. Just read the press release.
This. It may not be a bad iPhone, subjectively. And the processor may be the same. But it’s a poor man’s iPhone, period. Nobody who can afford a Mini will ever buy an SE now that both are available.
Huh? Now we are just spreading lies. The iPhone SE does have Touch ID 2.0 as well as a Taptic Engine. And 6000 series aluminum? The back is all glass, just like the iPhone 8 and XR and 11.
If you are a price sensitive then wait a year. My bet is the 13 mini (or whatever they call it) will go back to start at $649 and the 12 mini will fall to either $549 or $599 if they keep it or at least for a short time while the clear them out.
The internals of the SE1 are based on the 6S. That’s what was exciting about the SE1 back then.
Because the SE1 did have iPhone 6S internals, including the A9 SoC, M9 motion coprocessor and NFC:
iPhone SE (1st generation) - Wikipedia
Here's a breakdown of the differences between the SE and the 6S:
iPhone SE: 10 features that didn't make the cut
The iPhone SE has the body of an iPhone 5s, but with all of Apple’s latest tech. Well, most of it anyway. In this post and video, we’ve compiled a list of the latest features that didn’t make the cut to...
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The iPhone SE was (and is) definitely a budget phone. It just happens to have some features that makes it preferable to some people. The iPhone 12 mini is a premium phone, although it does share some of these same features with a budget phone.
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Never mind, I get the context of the posts now but I had to re-read the entire thread. Thanks.Because the SE1 did have iPhone 6S internals, including the A9 SoC, M9 motion coprocessor and NFC.
iPhone SE (1st generation) - Wikipedia
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Poor man's phone is probably a stretch. 90% of the experience at almost 50% of the cost is actually a remarkable feat. Remember when Apple used to only have two models and they would simply discount the older model as the third budget phone? Suppose today there were only 3 phones in the lineup, the iPhone 12 Pro, the 12 Pro Max, and the iPhone 8 - I would unequivocally state that the iPhone 8 is the poor man's phone.
But the fact that just 2 months ago the iPhone SE 2020 had the same CPU/GPU as the iPhone 11 Pro and 1 less GB of RAM doesn't quite make it a poor man's phone. That $400 phone had the fastest CPU/GPU on the market.
I do get it that Qualcomm and OLED are worth the up charge... I guess I'm. I don't know.
I'm just bummed everything is more expensive and it doesn't line up with my expectations and hopes going into this 12 season.
there's no perfect solution for me. I would have been really happy with a $599 mini with an LED.
or a $599 mini with 4g only and no 5g. It would have been great to make the Pro 5g only... especially since there's only a $130 difference between 12 and 12 pro (128gb)