That is not how it works at all, the list is randomized.
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Browser Companies Criticize Apple's EU Choice Screen in iOS 17.4
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That is not how it works at all, the list is randomized.
This is a competition issue… and it mostly affects competition between various international companies operating within the EU. Its not really about national protectionism, but protection of the consumer from anti competitive practices.
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It was easy enough for anyone to switch to Netscape Navigator in Windows in the late 1990s when IE was the "forced" default... and that was without the additional push of government mandates.
Perhaps the world would be so much better if Microsoft/IE had run unchecked and the entire world was using IE in 2024 now? Even those early Jobsian Macs had to come with IE because it was the "big dog" at the time... NOT by necessarily being better, but simply because the 64000 LB gorilla flexed other bits of tech domination to force THEIR browser on all Windows installations.
Bonus: that dominance led to Microsoft creating non-standard bits of HTML/CSS, which then had to be especially addressed for the next 10-15+ years to make websites also be compatible with old IE forks. Fun times were guaranteed for all... as is always the case when any one corporate entity gains too much of a hold on any one thing.
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That screen reminds me of going to the mall with all those little carts along the way in the middle of the concourse. Sometimes you just want to go to Macy's and be left alone.
Problem has already been solved and they are still whining. So I don’t believe that it’s simply about "protection of the consumer”.
If the EU said Apple has to force users to watch an unskippable ad for each browser before choosing, would that be acceptable?
This is what I thought about too when the screen popped up when I opened Safari.
I wonder how many just clicks on the first one thinking that something needs to be downloaded and just downloads it, hence the increasing downloads of browser with letter A.
"Regular" users don't really care and just want to reach the web. I guess it would be better with random list order for every user.
I don't understand what the issue is with this presentation. If you care enough to want something other than Safari, you know what you're looking for already.
no, just like in the US. DOJ has to have its nose in everything lately.
Spotify. The EU loves Spotify.
Its written all over the policy and the various explanations and websites exactly what it's for.
Its randomised.
The problem hasn't been solved. Apple are trying specifically to hamper the problem from being solved, as they're part of the problem.
As for the second part of your comment what's the point of making up a fake scenario and then demanding an answer for it? What a strange way of trying to communicate a point.
I'm talking state-level imports. Despite the EU promising to stop it, countries like Germany are still importing from Russia. Maybe Germany shouldn't have listened to the morons and instead invested in nuclear like France, then it wouldn't have been a problem.
Ummmm you realize the EU is the second largest economy in the world right?
1) Governments breaking things apart doesn’t always make thing better for users. The classic example people study is the breakup of the Bell Telephone Company.
2) Politicians and governments always have an agenda. It is reasonable to question how that is impacting the current situation.
3) It seems incredibly ignorant to pretend that this is a right vs wrong or good vs bad scenario. The real world doesn’t work in absolutes.
...because Apple refused to let them into the AppStore... 🤣The list of browser choices is incomplete. Why are Camino and Netscape Navigator not listed?
But all states are still doing business with Russia. There are just some things that are necessary… unless you're in outright direct conflict/war. But even then, you'd still probably be trading things indirectly via a third or fourth etc country.
Yep. I think the only valid criticism is that an app needs to meet a certain threshold to be included at all, but I don’t know how you fix that without making a truly ridiculous list of dozens of apps.
The EU showed their love for Spotify by fining the company EUR 5 million ($5.4 million) in 2023 for violating the EU's GDPR
I’m really trying to understand what the big complaint is.
All I can find are these seemingly minor issues, at most.
Apple is not perfect but, to me at least, these don't sound like anything unfair or unscrupulous on the part of Apple.
Those companies making lesser known browsers will not be happy before their browser is on top with capital letters, glitter and fireworks and a big green “pick me” button next to it.
You don’t get it?
Uncontrolled capitalism = paradise for all
Governmental regulations = pure evil.
It’s not that hard ;-)
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The heavy lifting of anti-competitive legislation is over
They’re now trying to justify the continuation of their jobs. This is classic overreach.
They’re now trying to justify the continuation of their jobs. This is classic overreach.