Yup. And YouTube app will present me with two Chrome buttons and one Safari when I click a link.
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Browser Companies Criticize Apple's EU Choice Screen in iOS 17.4
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This is just getting ridiculous. Enough is never enough.
I heard a quote a while back:
I heard a quote a while back:
We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all [mankind], as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.
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That is like fining you $5.00.The EU showed their love for Spotify by fining the company EUR 5 million ($5.4 million) in 2023 for violating the EU's GDPR
It isn't that easy or black and white. Regulations are important and can be good, but government overreach and unnecessary regulation is not good for anyone.
You forgot Eastern companies as well... Despite pretending not to, everyone is still doing business with Russia. Openly or secretly. Heck it wouldn't surprise me to see Ukraine still doing business with them in backdoor deals.
Sounds truly awful. I only use Windows for work and there we’re required to use Edge.
Why would eastern countries not do business… they do business together more and more because of distrust of the west. And of course Ukraine does business with Russia. People living on the frontline have no option. You get what you need to survive no matter who is selling it.
I’m the guy in charge of management of machines at work. I’m currently tasked with bringing the other browsers (Edge is already managed) under MDM management. Currently testing out a script to export Chrome bookmarks at login because god only knows what happens when you first manage a browser. I’m trying to avoid data loss.
Our SecOps and Compliance guys offered “why not force everyone to use Edge?” to which I laughed. I would love that, but good luck convincing leadership to actually mandate that when they’re using Chrome for god knows what reason. 🤷♂️
I really really liked Edge when it first came out. A quick and clean Chromium based browser. Over the last couple of years though it’s just getting jammed full of crap that nobody wants, nobody asked for, and god help you if you’re trying to disable some of the awful UI decisions that have come up.
Why stop at browsers? When you take your phone out of the box it should ask you what OS you want: Android, Plasma, PureOs, Tizen, BSD, Ubuntu, fedora, Arch, SuSE. Then you have to pick your window manager: DWM, Flux, Qtile…. Then you pick your filesystem: Reiser, NTFS, Ext4, ZFS. And so on. After all you need to be fair right?
Apple should’ve taken the easy route and offered an optional bare metal phone with hardware only in the EU. Totally not locked down and no security or encryption. You install everything yourself. That would’ve met all the mandates.
Apple should’ve taken the easy route and offered an optional bare metal phone with hardware only in the EU. Totally not locked down and no security or encryption. You install everything yourself. That would’ve met all the mandates.
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As I am experienced user, I have no problem downloading an alternative browser. Its the first thing I do on an iPhone. But less experienced users don't know there are much better browsers than Safari. Of course on an iPhone I am still stuck with Apple's inferior browser engine.
My experience on windows is very different… are you completely sure its not just your companies/ work laptops preferences.
I’m the one implementing these preferences. When not managed this is the behavior that my users are getting. I have to carefully wrangle this all together with Intune (and not disrupting users).
Eventually this won’t be a problem, but right now these settings are running in an unmanaged context, and the behavior of links in Outlook and Teams are issues that my Help Desk guys are getting literally every day now (“new Teams” is rolling out, so that’s why)
I haven't read through the entire thread yet, so this may have already been answered for you, but apparently the list IS randomized per user, to avoid any claims of "favoritism"...
The EU just needs to go pound sand at this point. They see Apple as little more than a bank and EU "Laws" as their personal ATM cards.
They should allow Apple to keep the "rest of the world monopoly update" as alternative to the European users that don't really care about these "anticompetitive practices updates" and like their iOS the way it is. You know, to give Apple a chance as a competitor in its own platform, or God forbid, an actual choice to EU users.
These EU regulators would be mad even if you hung them with a new rope. Perhaps, their next trick is to require all Americans visiting EU to get EU phones on VSOP plans (Very Specially Over Priced).
Are there some really FAT cats at EU headquarters? Wonder if any background checks of these regulators personnel finances are done to double check for any under the table payments?
Been using Apple products since late 1989. See absolutely nothing in the non-Apple world of electronics and operating systems that I would want to get elsewhere.
Are there some really FAT cats at EU headquarters? Wonder if any background checks of these regulators personnel finances are done to double check for any under the table payments?
Been using Apple products since late 1989. See absolutely nothing in the non-Apple world of electronics and operating systems that I would want to get elsewhere.
I love how all these baby browsers keep saying that this gained them a 250% increase in users. Going from 10 users to 5000 users is still nearly meaningless in the grand scheme of things. How many of you reading this are using the Aloha browser? Are you part of the 250% increase?
"Google has also updated its Pixel software to show alternative browser choices, and says that new Android devices made by other companies will also display the choice screen in the coming months."
Well that solves the issue of who gets top billing from all these browser developers. Glad you verified it's not alphabetized.
"browser companies have criticized Apple and Google for the slow rollout of the change"
Do you think the EU has forced them to complain?
Hey EU, it's really unfair that I can't use other OS on my iPhone.
Can you make it so the first time I boot up, I've given the choice to download Android, Blackberry, or Palm?
Can you make it so the first time I boot up, I've given the choice to download Android, Blackberry, or Palm?