Won’t work, it will be resolved around May 10th, and all lockdown measures will be lifted. The impact is limited.
There are around 12000 communities in Shanghai and 9500+ are no longer in lockdown. Business are in a staged process of reopening.
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There are around 12000 communities in Shanghai and 9500+ are no longer in lockdown. Business are in a staged process of reopening.
That‘s the beauty of the system. It‘s a meritocratic system, not a populist system. Cheerleaders don’t get to the top, the quiet and nerdy strategists and Engineers that would often get bullied in the US do. It allows the Chinese state to plain for not 4 years or 8 years, but 100 years and more. The rulers know that there will be a continuity in policy and national agenda, so they can afford to play the long game. Also, you can’t be at the top unless you have ascended through the chain of command and started at the very bottom of the command chain, so all the leaders in China are grounded and understand the true situation and social conflicts of the people. In the promotion process, the optimal leadership team is created. There are internal elections and by elites in the society, but the votes of CIA operatives in some subversive groups will not be considered, and that‘s intentional.
If that were the case literally half of the United States population would be locked up as being subversive or foreign agents. Every four to eight years, the other half would get locked up. Rinse and repeat.
It's really not though. It just rewards party loyalty. We are seeing the short comings of such a system in Russia today. A bunch of yes men are not a "meritocratic system." Morever, I would much rather have political sovereignty rest with the people, not with a political party like the CCP.
“Subversion” isn’t illegal in the US and me being a free man despite things I’ve said both online and in public is a testament to that.
Subversion is the essence of America, really. From such a declaration one can draw the conclusion that the Patriot Act is dystopian, draconian trash, which it is.
How many people in US do you think understand that relatively high level of life that they enjoyed over the years was not a "free lunch"? US had to pay for it by destroying its own manufacturing. The US will have to destroy the remains of its manufacturing if it were to continue its "dominance" in the world. You see, there really was no option not to pull out of Afghanistan. Also a much more manageable from a financial standpoint AUKUS is ready for its "star moment" to replace NATO.
At least in China, you already know what not to do. The government isn’t pretending to be “gung ho about freedom.” Chinese government is strictly socialist, and the citizens know it. Their culture are built around it. Their censorship reasonings are obvious (from their perspective).No pretending. The Chinese are actually proud of their system.
Meanwhile, the US government is flying under the PR of freedom of speech and democracy, while in reality all speech have to follow the main ruling party’s narrative. Anything else are practically censored as well in the name of political correctness. Double faced, and hypocrisy at its finest.
I don‘t think you fully understand the political system in China. The party is the state and the government and the military. There is no difference or separation. This is the basis of the East Asian societies for thousands of years. It’s very un-american, but doesn’t mean it can’t be a very competitive and viable alternative.
USSR created this system out of thin air, where as China had this for, let’s say, much much longer.
There can only be one ruler, the emperor, and he shall have the ultimate power to reign the Middle Kingdom, etc.
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Fair point re: the two-party ”system.” Still feel fortunate and blessed to have any room for dissent and organic growth here, however, as opposed to uniformly forced, herd-like cohesion and nanny-state government ass-wiping.
There is a difference between internally debating policies vs doing so as a foreign agent or wish to take over the country as a different civilization.
Do the people or groups you mentioned act in the best interest of China and the Chinese people? Nope. They act either in the best interest of the US or Islam.
It’s called social cohesion, harmony and homogeneity. Walking with a united front is much better than infighting. All options and opinions are discussed and debated internally, just not publicly. If you have something worthwhile to say, publish a paper or write a formal letter to the State Council. They will call you in for interviews if needed.
To answer your question directed to me, probably not many people really appreciate the sacrifices born over the last 246 years in terms of life, blood and treasure to ensure democracy, political freedoms and individual liberty.
The balance of your comment is more a question of policy than anything else. But, alas, I agree that globalism, or the hope that enriching autocratic tyrannies through economic reform would pay dividends in terms of world peace, security, and political liberalization (i.e., individual rights) has not really materialized. I think The Times They Are A-Changin' though -- to quote Bob Dylan.
Obviously. Companies doing business in China must positively contribute to the long term development of China, and they must align with the national planning guidelines.
Well, in fact, the CCP came to power violently in 1949. This tyranny has not been thousand of years in the making. The CCP came to power under a Communist model (from the USSR no less) as well -- not exactly a creation emerging out of historical Chinese culture. The narrative you put forth is just a historical fiction with all due respect.
What about being a communist during “the Red Scare”?
What about the subversive acts during and after the last election?
What about being a foreign agent and act as a news channel or newspaper?
Merely mouthing the state is not subversion, you can do that in China too.
Communism is just a front or an experiment. The foundation is still Chinese.
Remember, Deng‘s quote, “black cat, white cat, the one who catches mouse is the good cat?”
Asians are more pragmatic, unlike the US, which is much more pedantic and ideological.
China officially is “Socialist with Chinese Characteristics”, basically, it means, whatever works, whatever we say.
The Red Scare was good actually (communism bad); Joseph McCarthy is a Wisconsinite legend. The last election itself was an act of subversion by the government against its own people (so the wrong kind) since the election was fraudulent. Joe Biden’s senile ass, to say the very least, did not receive the most votes of any candidate in American history; that is obvious bull.
Subversive foreign agents should be penalized since they aren’t acting in the American laypeople’s interests, so that’s an understandable one. And yes, people do get thrown in prison or forced to apologize in 1984-style interrogations for questioning or even lightly criticizing the Chinese government, it’s just covered up so you don’t catch on. Think 8964/Tiananmen Square.
not that simple, to support exports mean they would have to import resources in order to sustain it, at current there aren't enough supplier in india to fulfill such. and to import would mean subject to heavy taxes from the indian gov't. one thing alot of folks don't know is doing business in india is not a friendly environment. it has improved massively under modi for couple of years, but the ease of doing business in india is still not on par with the west or china.
The Red Scare was good actually (communism bad); Joseph McCarthy is a Wisconsinite legend. The last election itself was an act of subversion by the government against its own people (so the wrong kind) since the election was fraudulent. Joe Biden’s senile ass, to say the very least, did not receive the most votes of any candidate in American history; that is obvious bull.
Subversive foreign agents should be penalized since they aren’t acting in the American laypeople’s interests, so that’s an understandable one. And yes, people do get thrown in prison or forced to apologize in 1984-style interrogations for questioning or even lightly criticizing the Chinese government, it’s just covered up so you don’t catch on. Think 8964/Tiananmen Square.
I think you should look into what “colour revolution“ is. For example, the current Ukrainian war is the result of a colour revolution by the US, got the pro-Russian government thrown out.
HK umbrella revolution, 8964, Xingjiang Uighurs, Mongolians, Tebetans, Burma protest, etc., are all US colour revolution efforts on China.
There is only one country in the entire world where the US subversive tactics have failed so miserably, it’s China.
I would say that Prescott Bush who financed Hitler's rise to power is a bigger scumbag here. While this helped to achieve a substantial financial gains for the US after WW2, it was still wrong and down the road puts the country on a brink of a very real nuclear annihilation.
I feel that with your bias against communism you are on a subtle slippery slope to begin sugarcoating Hitler's crimes against humanity and making him a bit of a hero and a champion in his war with "evil communism".
Putting an idea in people's head that nazis and communists are more of "the same" is a perfect example of a deliberate subversive operation.
Are you implying that the Jews are the only ones who suffered from Hitler's crimes? Russia(Soviet Union) have suffered much more than the Jews(lost 20 million lives).