Because of this article I just checked the battery health on my iPhone 13 Max purchased on launch day. I thought the fairly widespread advice was to not let the battery run too far below 50% before recharging and I am terrible at not doing that, I often let it get down to less than 15% before charging and on occasion have even drained it completely. I also always charge wirelessly. Because of what I assumed was my abuse of the battery I was very surprised to find iOS reporting my battery health still at 100%. Maybe Apple has improved things in recent years? I usually get the newest iPhone every year on launch day and have definitely seen some of my older iPhones with battery health of 90% or even less by the time I sold them after 12 months of ownership.
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EU Draft Proposals Require Phone Makers to Provide Spare Parts for 5 Years and Ensure Longer Battery Life
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Weird to think that 20 years ago, Nokia (Finland) occupied the market leader position in the handset market that Apple does now.
I think @d686546s was referring to Ericsson which is one of (if not the) world leader in telecommunications technologies (GSM-5G), at least in Western countries.
It’s not that hard. All you need to do is invent a new battery device that is better than Lithium Ion and do it with cheap, safe, and long lasting materials. I would think that such a battery would have a lot of other device applications, so I’m surprised that no one with any battery dependent device has done that yet.
I may look at this over the weekend and see if I can have an answer about how to do this by next week.
Nokia and Ericsson both. At least now when Huawei and ZTE are not very hot in the west.
The whole point of this is for it to be a hassle to sell something that won't survive a minimum of 5y without repairs.
Designing a product that's likely to fail after 2-3 years will now come with the penalty of having to pay for and store a ton of spare parts. Any and all benefits you historically would get by cutting corners on components will be gone.
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iPhones for a longtime now have been doing this, they actually have more than “100%” battery life. And once the battery is charged over over what the user sees as 100%, it then lets the battery drain until back to 100%, and cycles like that until taken off the charger.
Apple doesn't design products that are destined to failure. My 5s bought in 2013 are still working. Where I see the issue is the battery. What is going to happen is that phones will no longer be petite. I don't think battery technology is there as people subject these batteries to a littany of abuses(heat, draining, continual charging) and the EU expects these batteries to last? Baloney.
This is part of why contracts with PC vendors are so expensive... for example, businesses in these cases will pay Dell multi-million $ contracts to ensure that Dell maintains parts and services for their business critical hardware.
"EU Draft Proposals Require Manufacturers to Make Pi Equal to 3 and Round the Speed of Light to 300000 km/s."
The EU lawmakers pay for gas? Or for anything? The EU isn't a country.
Even if the EU was some sort of US of Europe (which it isn't) does the federal government purchase gas or oil in the USA?
If some EU members had better followed EU policy we would indeed be better.
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For Apple it wont be an issue stocking parts for 5yrs, they provide service for upto 6-7 years anyway. This will be hard for other manufacturer who are basically manufacture and forget next month, for them to stock parts for 5yrs, i doubt its possible
Longer battery life? YASS! Spare parts for 5 years? Y'all a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
Security updates for 5 years? So long as they don't add new bugs in the process, I'm on board.
They do software update differently. Apple's software update is monolithic. Y'all want the latest version of iMessage? Gotta get the latest update. Want the latest security update? It's in the update. With Google, it's modular. Want the lastest Gmail? Just download it from the Playstore, aite. Want the latest security update? 🤣🤣🤣Y'all SOL.😒
I was indeed and I'm also not sure why this here has developed into some sort of who has the longest tech sector. No one disputed that US companies are quite dominant in the consumer electronics space.
The point was that "technology," which was the original claim, is a massively broad area in which European companies and entrepreneurs have definitely found their niches in which they make tremendous contributions. Many have been mentioned here and generally Europe has made some key contributions to the infrastructure on which the world today runs, although it would be foolish to claim these for Europe alone. It's also a pointless exercise, but that's the internet for you.
Overall these things are always in flux. 20 years ago Canada and Finland were world leaders (if you go by corporate HQ) in mobile phones, today it's the US. Who knows who'll be at the forefront of innovation in another 20.
That’s like counting the number of cockroaches in New York. For every one you see. There are ten more hiding in the walls.
Thanks to the central banking system "to pay Russia for gas" is just a classy way to say "to dump some of the EU's inflation onto Russia".
It is funny how the British are complaining that "Germany is not doing enough to help Ukraine", thus pretty much implying that the Germany should once again have a "political party of war" as they once did in the 1930s, cause Ukraine is simply drowning in the Germany's past footsteps and simply unable to pull the weight. Like Churchill once said if it has worked once, it will probably work again. Britain is once again whispering in Germany's ear: "You can do it, Russia is weak."
I have tried to find the draft proposal but can't; and the original article is paywalled and others refer to it but have very little information.
From what I could find, this doesn't make manufacturers build more durable devices; nor necessarily stock a lot of spare parts. As long as the parts are available from the OEM then they may very well meet the spare parts requirement. Unless it mandates component level viability then a few (more expensive than the phone) boards may meet it as well.
I suspect this is less impactful then some believe. Even the battery cycle requirement is only applicable if the battery can't be replaced:
Under the EU’s plans, if manufacturers can’t supply batteries to consumers for five years, they will have to meet a set of battery endurance tests instead. These will ensure devices achieve 80 percent of a rated capacity after 1,000 full charge cycles. Manufacturers will also be forced to ensure software updates never have a negative effect on battery life.
I suspect, with some redefining of battery capacity, manufacturers will be able to meet this without any impact on repairs. For example, using a larger capacity battery but defining full capacity as a smaller number gives them a lot of room before a battery reaches the magic cycle limit; which is different in the reference article then MR reported.
Not sure how you address software not impacting battery life, but battery life is different from discharge rate. It may require more frequent charging but still met the cycle/capacity regulation.
Of course, there are exclusions:
The regulations won’t apply to phones or tablets with a flexible main display “which the user can unroll and roll up partly or fully,” or smartphones designed for high security environments.
Is a foldable screen exempt as a "partial roll up?"
Indiana beat them to it, almost.
No, it is confederation; which is one of the challenges it faces in regulation.
No, and the US tried a similar system before adopting the federal system; even then states have a lot of leeway to go their own way.
Yes, it does.
That's the weakness of a confederation - there is federal governing body that can set enforceable laws that preempt individual state laws. In a system requiring unanimity to enact regulations smaller states yield power beyond their size; and enforcement is difficult as a result.
Most phone manufacturers don’t make their own parts, or at least not all of them. So if phone maker Gluggle doesn’t have a part for a phone because the company they depend on is out or went bankrupt?
Yes you can say that’s the Glurggle’s problem but the only way for a phone maker to be certain is to buy and store parts themselves. And that will make phones more expensive.
Yes you can say that’s the Glurggle’s problem but the only way for a phone maker to be certain is to buy and store parts themselves. And that will make phones more expensive.
Actually having worked for a very technical, high-cost device mfg for nearly 20 years, I am quite familiar. But Apple-stans always have reasons why the company that pretty much invented and maximized returns from throw-away device gets a pass re: Mother Earth.
The main target for this is obviously not Apple.
If anything it’s more about getting the rest to operate the way Apple does.
iPhones tend to last and be supported for many many years while some, even higher end, android phones don’t even receive software updates after a few months..
Thank you for actually replying instead of just disagreeing.
I admit that I don't actually know enough about EU politics to comment. I only say that because there have been a lot of stories in the news lately about EU laws affecting US companies and the general consensus seems to be that there is a bit of overreach.
But I think my comment still stands for the US.