I did not say anything about six months. But two months is not unheard of, especially in southern Europe.
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They are a cost of business, to a degree. I'm just questioning, that Apple has the power to just get the fine from the customers. If they had that ability, why would they not use it in the absence of fines?
Sorry, you are mistaken. As a citizen of your country your are bound by the laws of your country even if abroad. In fact - you are bound by both the laws of your country AS WELL AS the laws of the country you are visiting.
Edit: E.g. if you visit a country where smoking pot is allowed and your own country forbids you -> you are not allowed to smoke pot. period.
They are not going to let the fine keep growing, and it will take years for a fine to come down from the government. They also fight them, which adds more years before they have to pay, and often, they win the appeal. If they lose the fine will come out of their fine savings, and if needed, they will raise prices. Just like regulations and to your point, all corporations are going to maximize their profits by passing on costs to the customer.
Remember that when you go do Canada or Mexico for vacation and all of sudden you can't download an app from the app store because your credit card is issued in the US.
They can challenge the fines, sure. It will take around three years to have a final verdict. But ask yourself this. Who has ultimately more power, a corporation or the government. In this case I'm betting on the latter.
This is mandatory vacation. Most people have more. I work in government and have 35 days vacation. And I'm allowed to save days from previous years. Teachers work more hours per week but are compensated and can have 9-10 weeks of vacation.
At some point someone will have to give in. Ultimately the EU even has the power to force Apple or Google to divest from parts of their businesses. Though I'm pretty confident that they really don't want to go that far.
An EU subsidiary of the App Store sounds like the perfect solution for Apple, and consequently more annoying for developers, who may be forced to maintain separate versions of their apps for multiple regions. I think the EU is getting a masterclass in unintended consequences even as we speak.
This is already the reality. Many apps are regionally restricted. The fact that some apps are available worldwide creates the illusion that it's one store, but it's not.
Did you know that US citizens have to file (and possibly pay) taxes, no matter how long they live in another country? Some US Americans living abroad even renounce their citizenship because it complicates their life so much.
If they force to divest, best believe Apple will announce it’s pulling out of the EU.
They can handle fines, but threatening the structure of the company? Absolutely not.
Pathetic. Most innovation you see out of these guys these days is finding creative ways to extract their rents.
None of this should ever have happened. The only users who benefit already had the option to choose another platform but didn’t. And now iOS is fractured forever. Classic case of be careful what you wish for.
While those numbers are huge, the EU only makes up 7% of its App Store revenue.
No different than apple claiming to care about security, but still using SMS/MMS technology as a fallback to iMessage.
Apple only uses "security" as a excuse to be greedy.
Evidently someone extremely dislikes my objection to Apple geofencing.
I must not give Apple enough money with my expensive desktop computers, laptops and numerous iPhones and other products over the years…
Being geo blocked on anything is a nuisance and should never be done.
If an app is only suitable for a particular region then it should be left to the developer to specify it, rather than blocking the entire App Store.
I must not give Apple enough money with my expensive desktop computers, laptops and numerous iPhones and other products over the years…
Being geo blocked on anything is a nuisance and should never be done.
If an app is only suitable for a particular region then it should be left to the developer to specify it, rather than blocking the entire App Store.
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If the EU has the right to forcefully divest Apple, then the US government has a right to forcefully divest TikTok from China.
I think in both cases it would be wrong.
So as an American, I should have access to BBC iPlayer even though I’m not a British taxpayer?
WTF?
This is not geo blocking. What's next, not allowing people to make phone calls unless subscribed through their App Store? This is Apple hijacking their clients properties unless they pay more, case in case the device people use. Better, this is company hijacking hundreds of millions of device owners and use them as leverage against the EU market and the users themselves.
If one account is from the EU region why can't its owner use their devices as per EU regulation regardless where one may be found in a particular moment in time yet also according to the governmental laws of their current location? Why am I suddenly at risk of loosing a a digital asset or service supplied by a third party? This is not the DMAs fault, that we are totally sure.
As a loyal Apple customer for more than 2 decades and EU citizen I feel betrayed by this company. My entire family aggregate uses Apple devices, I have been advising friends buy Apple products, as a CTO of a company have opted for using Apple computers. But no more.
Even if they backtrack on this, just the idea of putting this in place and go with it is enough for me to think that this company mindset is a security threat to any communication infrastructure outside the US at least. You see, it is not just user data that needs to be protected, but also ownership of legal software licenses and subscriptions to services.
And they want us to buy Vision Pros and let the model our reality? Imagine when this company starts to chip brain implants.
Keeping this trajectory if the EU banned them, I would loose a lot of money. But I guess it would be money well spent so that no other attempts to do this kind of stuff against the security of the EU communication infrastructure and its users. Clearly they can understand way better the Chinese and Russian requirements then the ones in the free world.
In practice Apple has 0 leverage to pull this kinds of moves in the EU. They are just simply abusing the confidence that the market deposited in them.
The EU does not care less about the EPIC vs Apple vs Spotify vs Microsoft vs .... or whatever. The reasoning about the DMA is simply security of the communication infrastructure as well as the digital market operating on top of it. Having a single company Apple to turn off the ability to install Apps across millions devices, the ability to block people from using Apps, and what not, just with a touch of a button ... is indeed a security threat. A threat that the company has no problem in using it if its not inline with their profit goals. Imagine this company one day, in small letters, thinks of granting themselves the ability to block people from making phones calls for whatever profit driven reason they think of.
There is no security if an alien to your own things can control your properties as they please. Zero, zilch, nada. This is basic security one-o-one. It does not matter, if they use such power or not ... they can so you have a security risk. It's just like giving the keys of your house to a guy that sold it to you that, if for security reasons touted you give the key to him for safeguarding ... and the guy not only charges you for whatever comes to your door that may dear necessary and consistently change the agreement every year. Siphoning as a service.
People buy this stuff for their publicity and none of this is publicized, just the better camera, the design, the aluminum, performance ... you know the drill ... just like a car.
The DMA just gave the opportunity for the Apple of today to show their true colors, their true vision of the technological future. Use it to control the flow of money of people and businesses through their devices.
This is quite clear now. Quite clear.
Cheers.
PS: I am sure some will come with technical justifications explaining that is impossible otherwise. As if technology isn't built by design.
PS: Its hilarious that Apple went on a road trip across Europe evangelizing that personal computers OSs should be like iOS, App Store only and all. I saw Greg in the Web Summit advocating just that for macOS. Imagine macOS was used as much as Windows ... wouldn't this kinds of moves be a security threat to any company or government? Of course it would be. But hey, when it comes to computers in the peoples pockets is no longer? Imagine both Microsoft and Apple pursuing this . Crazy. Crazy. What are these people smoking to be so distant from people's realities? Money?
This is not geo blocking. What's next, not allowing people to make phone calls unless subscribed through their App Store? This is Apple hijacking their clients properties unless they pay more, case in case the device people use. Better, this is company hijacking hundreds of millions of device owners and use them as leverage against the EU market and the users themselves.
If one account is from the EU region why can't its owner use their devices as per EU regulation regardless where one may be found in a particular moment in time yet also according to the governmental laws of their current location? Why am I suddenly at risk of loosing a a digital asset or service supplied by a third party? This is not the DMAs fault, that we are totally sure.
As a loyal Apple customer for more than 2 decades and EU citizen I feel betrayed by this company. My entire family aggregate uses Apple devices, I have been advising friends buy Apple products, as a CTO of a company have opted for using Apple computers. But no more.
Even if they backtrack on this, just the idea of putting this in place and go with it is enough for me to think that this company mindset is a security threat to any communication infrastructure outside the US at least. You see, it is not just user data that needs to be protected, but also ownership of legal software licenses and subscriptions to services.
And they want us to buy Vision Pros and let the model our reality? Imagine when this company starts to chip brain implants.
Keeping this trajectory if the EU banned them, I would loose a lot of money. But I guess it would be money well spent so that no other attempts to do this kind of stuff against the security of the EU communication infrastructure and its users. Clearly they can understand way better the Chinese and Russian requirements then the ones in the free world.
In practice Apple has 0 leverage to pull this kinds of moves in the EU. They are just simply abusing the confidence that the market deposited in them.
The EU does not care less about the EPIC vs Apple vs Spotify vs Microsoft vs .... or whatever. The reasoning about the DMA is simply security of the communication infrastructure as well as the digital market operating on top of it. Having a single company Apple to turn off the ability to install Apps across millions devices, the ability to block people from using Apps, and what not, just with a touch of a button ... is indeed a security threat. A threat that the company has no problem in using it if its not inline with their profit goals. Imagine this company one day, in small letters, thinks of granting themselves the ability to block people from making phones calls for whatever profit driven reason they think of.
There is no security if an alien to your own things can control your properties as they please. Zero, zilch, nada. This is basic security one-o-one. It does not matter, if they use such power or not ... they can so you have a security risk. It's just like giving the keys of your house to a guy that sold it to you that, if for security reasons touted you give the key to him for safeguarding ... and the guy not only charges you for whatever comes to your door that may dear necessary and consistently change the agreement every year. Siphoning as a service.
People buy this stuff for their publicity and none of this is publicized, just the better camera, the design, the aluminum, performance ... you know the drill ... just like a car.
The DMA just gave the opportunity for the Apple of today to show their true colors, their true vision of the technological future. Use it to control the flow of money of people and businesses through their devices.
This is quite clear now. Quite clear.
Cheers.
PS: I am sure some will come with technical justifications explaining that is impossible otherwise. As if technology isn't built by design.
PS: Its hilarious that Apple went on a road trip across Europe evangelizing that personal computers OSs should be like iOS, App Store only and all. I saw Greg in the Web Summit advocating just that for macOS. Imagine macOS was used as much as Windows ... wouldn't this kinds of moves be a security threat to any company or government? Of course it would be. But hey, when it comes to computers in the peoples pockets is no longer? Imagine both Microsoft and Apple pursuing this . Crazy. Crazy. What are these people smoking to be so distant from people's realities? Money?
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Welcome, time traveller from the early 2000s.
This is your future in which region locks on video games are no more.
On topic: I think what many people are missing here talking about how you don’t have that many vacations days anyway is professionals who are assigned to work abroad to contribute to or oversee projects. There aren’t that many in your local coffee shop where unfortunately your Mac hasn’t been cool for a while now, or in your mom’s basement, but in the wider world this happens more often than you think.
Construction, engineering, development work, research, education, administration and military are some of those areas where people leave the EU for longer than 30 days, sometimes for months or even years.
Apple leaves these professionals with phones that cannot update to current versions of their apps.