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JPack

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Not really sure I follow. How could the ASP for Apple smartphones be that low if they had no iPhone in that price category? Right, you‘re throwing all Android makers in the mix that are barely making any money out of that business. And still we do not know how a bigger iPhone SE Plus would be marketed at - like the iPhone SE, just bigger? Reviewers are knocking the „old“ design everywhere, I can‘t see Apple possibly throwing another Touch ID design with 5.5 inches out there.

Smartphone innovations have slowed down - there are fewer people buying $999 smartphones. Apple has to make up the revenue and margins elsewhere. They need to increase the sales volume of low-cost iPhones. A single $399 iPhone SE2 isn't enough to do the job. Apple needs an SE2 Plus to fill the global mainstream demand for low-cost and large display. Ideally, Apple would like to sell the XR for $499 or $449 but it was never designed for such low prices. The SE2 Plus can be. The SE3 Plus scheduled for 2H21 will be an even more refined design (no Home button, side Touch ID).
 

MandiMac

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Smartphone innovations have slowed down - there are fewer people buying $999 smartphones. Apple has to make up the revenue and margins elsewhere. They need to increase the sales volume of low-cost iPhones. A single $399 iPhone SE2 isn't enough to do the job. Apple needs an SE2 Plus to fill the global mainstream demand for low-cost and large display. Ideally, Apple would like to sell the XR for $499 or $449 but it was never designed for such low prices. The SE2 Plus can be. The SE3 Plus scheduled for 2H21 will be an even more refined design (no Home button, side Touch ID).
Okay Jon P :)
 

TDDM

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Let me rephrase: If we would get an iPhone SE Plus now that does almost exactly the same like an iPhone 11, costs more than an iPhone SE and less than the iPhone 11 - which problem would that solve?
I look at it like the iPad Air vs iPad Pro 11” situation. You can spend $800 for the top of the line modern device with all the best features, Face ID, more RAM, bezel-less design, etc, or you can spend $500 for the older design, less features, no Liquid Retina display, less RAM, TouchID, etc. They share the same A13 chip and general capabilities, but appeal to two different crowds.

Now look at the hypothetical SE Plus vs the iPhone 11, it’s nearly the same situation. $500 for the less modern device with less RAM, no Liquid Retina, TouchID, old form factor with TouchID, etc.

Personally, I’d prefer the SE Plus over the 11 because I appreciate the 401PPI vs 326PPI, the slightly wider screen, and lower price point. I’m also one of the people who can’t use the 11 due to eye strain, but that’s a separate point.
 

now i see it

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The SE Plus will solve the multi-year problem of their crappy OLED screens messing with millions of people's eyes.

My guess- it'll be here within a year. (and I'll finally upgrade my 6 Plus) also it will have 1GB more ram than the 8 Plus and either the A13 or A14 chip. Either will be fine.
 

tonybarnaby

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The SE Plus will solve the multi-year problem of their crappy OLED screens messing with millions of people's eyes.

My guess- it'll be here within a year. (and I'll finally upgrade my 6 Plus) also it will have 1GB more ram than the 8 Plus and either the A13 or A14 chip. Either will be fine.
What about people like me (and others on here) who somehow got headaches from the 11 or xr. I know you believe it’s due to the lower ppi, but I’m not so sure.
 

jimmy_uk

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I look at it like the iPad Air vs iPad Pro 11” situation. You can spend $800 for the top of the line modern device with all the best features, Face ID, more RAM, bezel-less design, etc, or you can spend $500 for the older design, less features, no Liquid Retina display, less RAM, TouchID, etc. They share the same A13 chip and general capabilities, but appeal to two different crowds.

Now look at the hypothetical SE Plus vs the iPhone 11, it’s nearly the same situation. $500 for the less modern device with less RAM, no Liquid Retina, TouchID, old form factor with TouchID, etc.

Personally, I’d prefer the SE Plus over the 11 because I appreciate the 401PPI vs 326PPI, the slightly wider screen, and lower price point. I’m also one of the people who can’t use the 11 due to eye strain, but that’s a separate point.
Isn't the rumour now that the 2021 SE Plus will be a budget hybrid iphone 11? So likely not 1080p 401ppi display.
 

TDDM

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Isn't the rumour now that the 2021 SE Plus will be a budget hybrid iphone 11? So likely not 1080p 401ppi display.
Yeah, my post was mostly based on the theoretical SE Plus just being the 8+ with updated specs & a lower price point. If it ends up as some kind of hybrid of 8+/11, then it’s a different situation. I’m personally hoping for the 8+ form factor with updated specs, I don’t really like the 11‘s body.
 

JPack

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Yeah, my post was mostly based on the theoretical SE Plus just being the 8+ with updated specs & a lower price point. If it ends up as some kind of hybrid of 8+/11, then it’s a different situation. I’m personally hoping for the 8+ form factor with updated specs, I don’t really like the 11‘s body.

The SE2 Plus will share the same body as iPhone 8 Plus. It's the SE3 Plus in late 2021 that will have a new form factor.
 

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An iPhone SE Plus makes no sense - you would lose the single selling point of pocketable size. So my money is on that iPhone SE Plus being the actual iPhone 12 standard model. Let's wait and see.

Actually, I’d wager the complete opposite of what you said. The SE Plus makes perfect sense, being the majority consumers prefer a larger display. The iPhone 5.5 Plus variant was proven very popular over the years, and Apple adding it to the lineup only creates more diversity, it doesn't Detract away from sales.
 

ActionFigures

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The reaction to an SE 2 Plus would be far greater than any of the iPhone 12s. Even my grandmother asked me why they only came out with one size.
 

tonybarnaby

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Cancelled my amazon order for my battery case because I found the same one for $21 shipped on eBay, and it will be here on the 30th instead of a week later due to amazon not sending things out quickly if they are not deemed essential. I am all in on waiting for the se plus or just going to ride this 8+ out and hope something comes along.

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Josieb1

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I pre ordered the SE, then a few days later the 11 as I’m coming from an iPhone 6S Plus. I would have loved the SE Plus if one had come out. Both my phones arrived yesterday, I’ve set up the 11 and I love it. I haven’t even opened the SE, I’m going to return that. No way could I have move from the Plus model to a smaller screen.
 
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44267547

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Cancelled my amazon order for my battery case because I found the same one for $21 shipped on eBay, and it will be here on the 30th instead of a week later due to amazon not sending things out quickly if they are not deemed essential. I am all in on waiting for the se plus or just going to ride this 8+ out and hope something comes along.

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Just an FYI on the whole ‘Non-essential’ Shipping from Amazon. What they’re doing, is they are ‘under-promising‘ On various deliveries, but I’m finding that certain things are shipping ahead of schedule. They are predicting the latest ship date for certain products [I.e AirPods/adapters, ect], but I still have had things arrive at least 8-10 days earlier than expected.
 

majkom

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Ok, thought about next iphone and probably buy ip 8 plus from local resellers till they offer any...
 

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They are saying no SE plus until near end of 2021

Try to be a bit more specific. Who is they? And then if you have a link/article. If the SE Plus does launch, I suspect second quarter of 2021, Where it has its own launch away from Apples top-tiered iPhones.
 

The Game 161

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Try to be a bit more specific. Who is they? And then if you have a link/article. If the SE Plus does launch, I suspect second quarter of 2021, Where it has its own launch away from Apples top-tiered iPhones.

Kuo is stating so and jon Prosser has stated it will be 2021 as well and will have the same A13 chip.
 

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Kuo is stating so and jon Prosser has stated it will be 2021 as well and will have the same A13 chip.

Again, You’re not being specific. Prosser Originally stated quarter one of 2021 to begin with. Kuo Stated/iterated it would be later in the second half of 2021.

Prosser states that “multiple sources” pin the larger SE model to Q1 next year and confirm.”

 

The Game 161

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Again, You’re not being specific. Prosser Originally stated quarter one of 2021 to begin with. Kuo Stated/iterated it would be later in the second half of 2021.

Prosser states that “multiple sources” pin the larger SE model to Q1 next year and confirm.”


Do i need to be? The article was already posted last week on macrumours main page.

 

44267547

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Do i need to be?

Yes. This is what you posted first Linked below when you posted “They”, which didn’t indicate who you were referring to in the first place.

Then, you said “They are saying no SE Plus Until the end of 2021”, which Prosser never said that, he said originally quarter one of 2021. (Kuo was stating until end of 2021.)

Again, it’s Ok to be specific. Not everybody understands who you’re referring to, especially when you were vague.


They are saying no SE plus until near end of 2021
 
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