mini paired with Hauwei's new 4.5K 3:2 monitor = iMac killer?

[Amethyst1]

One needs to connect monitor WiFi for firmware updates. Check Source=>Wireless or Wifi. I had 3 consecutive updates from the start (one can hit the "update" line in menu to speed it up).

Is there any documentation on what these updates improve?

 

[EugW]

Is there any documentation on what these updates improve?

Good question. I can’t seem to find a firmware download online for my non-wireless model. However, fortunately I have no sleep issues with the current model with my M1 Mac mini (other than the fact that wake takes several seconds instead of being nearly instantaneous like Apple displays). Wake from sleep was my main concern.

For example, people are complaining about sleep issues with the Samsung ViewFinity S8. They also complained about older Asus ProArts. For the latter, it was fixed with firmware updates but you need a Windows PC to do the firmware update.

 

[melliflu]

No documentation during updates either - a blind process, like Airtags firmware.
I get wake from sleep issues on both DisplayPort and USB-C on Mini M1/Monterey, so maybe that's BECAUSE of the updates?

 

[EugW]

No documentation during updates either - a blind process, like Airtags firmware.
I get wake from sleep issues on both DisplayPort and USB-C on Mini M1/Monterey, so maybe that's BECAUSE of the updates?

Which version of Monterey? Sleep issues with some other monitors were fixed in later versions of Monterey. I’m on Ventura.

 

[EugW]

Hmm... Does this monitor not support HDCP 2.2? I mean if not, it's not a deal killer as this is a productivity setup for me, but it's a bit of a disappointment nonetheless.

It is only DisplayPort 1.2 and my understanding is that the vast majority DP1.2 devices are not HDCP 2.2 compliant. OK but I don't get 4K UHD streaming support over HDMI either, so I'm assuming that this monitor doesn't support HDCP 2.2 over HDMI 2.0 either. I tried my M1 Mac mini's native HDMI port, as well as a Plugable USB-C to HDMI 2.0b dongle.

I was testing Netflix 4K and it does stream the Netflix test videos at 4K, but I suspect those don't require HDCP 2.2. However, when I try 4K movies, I only get the HD option listed.

I did a quick search and didn't find any mention of HDCP 2.2 support for this monitor in this thread or online, but perhaps I just missed it.

EDIT:

See my subsequent post, here:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mini-paired-with-hauweis-new-4-5k-3-2-monitor-imac-killer.2298993/post-31814506

I have confirmed that the Huawei MateView 28 supports HDCP 2.2 over HDMI. HDCP 2.2 just doesn't seem to work with my Ventura M1 Mac mini.

 

[Amethyst1]

Does this monitor not support HDCP 2.2?

I've had a look at the HDMI EDID and see no mention of HDCP at all. But I'm not sure if that really means it's a no-go because I don't have a known HDCP 2.2-compliant monitor to compare.

I tried my M1 Mac mini's native HDMI port [...]

That is not a native HDMI port; it's hanging off an active DisplayPort-to-HDMI converter chip FWIW.

 

[EugW]

I've had a look at the HDMI EDID and see no mention of HDCP at all. But I'm not sure if that really means it's a no-go because I don't have a known HDCP 2.2-compliant monitor to compare.

FWIW, it does support HDCP 1.x, since Disney+ does work in Safari, but it is limited to HD. (Netflix is also limited to HD, but I was able to get Netflix HD in Safari on a setup where Disney+ does not, so that doesn't necessarily mean much.)

 

[melliflu]

Which version of Monterey? Sleep issues with some other monitors were fixed in later versions of Monterey. I’m on Ventura.

Updated my Mini M1 from Monterey to Ventura 13.1 48 hours ago, no sleep issues since then. No major bugs either, for now. I usually stay one OS behind, for safety.

 

[SergioSi]

Anyhow, I’ve ordered the LG Ultrafine 4K 27” 27UP850N for comparison.

Did the LG arrive yet? Which monitor do you like more?

 

[EugW]

Did the LG arrive yet? Which monitor do you like more?

Actually, I ended up cancelling that order. I just couldn't get over its very utilitarian design and aesthetics 🤪 and also, the several reports of bad backlight bleed spooked me. With the MateView I got, I won the no-backlight-bleed lottery, so I'll just stick with that for now and see what's coming next year. However, the LG apparently supports HDCP 2.2 over both DisplayPort and HDMI, unlike the MateView.

In the meantime I've ordered a SpyderX Pro colorimeter to calibrate the MateView.

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[DrCC]

So there is absolutely no way to stream 4K videos on this monitor? This sounds like a very odd design choice for a modern monitor ...

 

[EugW]

So there is absolutely no way to stream 4K videos on this monitor? This sounds like a very odd design choice for a modern monitor ...

Assuming it truly doesn't support HDCP 2.2, that means you won't be able to stream DRM'd 4K video, but you can still stream non-DRM'd 4K video.

Also, there are splitter boxes out there that will bypass HDCP 2.2 off allowing you to stream DRM'd 4K over HDMI, but I don't know if they would work with a display like this which is 3840x2560.

 

[EugW]

So there is absolutely no way to stream 4K videos on this monitor? This sounds like a very odd design choice for a modern monitor ...

Assuming it truly doesn't support HDCP 2.2, that means you won't be able to stream DRM'd 4K video, but you can still stream non-DRM'd 4K video.

I have the definitive answer now, at least for HDMI.

I plugged in my Apple TV 4K (1st gen) into the Huawei MateView 28.2" over HDMI. It connects at 4Kp60 HDR, fully supports 4:2:2 chroma, and streams 4K just fine in Netflix, so HDCP 2.2 is fully supported.

And it looks glorious!

Note the "Ultra HD 4K" logo here from the Apple TV 4K. From my Ventura M1 Mac mini, that logo is missing (both via HDMI and USB-C).

IOW, the inability of the M1 Mac mini to stream DRM'd 4K to the MateView is a compatibility issue, or else macOS / Safari limitation.

What happens with the Apple Studio Display?

BTW, I couldn't test 4:4:4 chroma, because I don't think Apple TV 4K has that option.

 

[deuxani]

I got a couple of nice angled adapters for the USB-C and USB-A ports, it looks so much cleaner now.

I didn’t think it was going to fit, but this one is just perfect for the Mateview.

 

[EugW]

I have the MateView sitting on the same desk as my 2017 iMac 27".

I have no measurement tools, but by my eye for skin colour in studio photos of my kids, the iMac is just about perfect, but the MateView has a very slight green tint to it. I think most people wouldn't notice the difference, but it's there. I tried sRGB and DCI-P3 and it's there in both. Furthermore, with certain content (videos played in Infuse) if I use the DCI-P3 setting on the monitor and either the DCI-P3 colour profile or the MateView colour profile in Ventura, Infuse is washed out, but Photos looks fine.

I got my SpyderX Pro today. I'm not sure I like the included software, so I'll have to give DisplayCal a try. However, in the meantime I have used the SpyderX software to calibrate the MateView in its DCI-P3 mode at 100% brightness, 70% brightness (default), and 50% brightness. All three have removed the green tint I was seeing in the default MateView profile, and all three have also increased the saturation so it no longer looks undersaturated. 70% and 50% look extremely similar. 100% looks fairly close but a bit different than the others. However, it's moot since I won't be running this one, as 100% is far too bright.

BTW, according to the calibration software, this monitor is capable of 100% sRGB, 97% DCI-P3, and 87% AdobeRGB when calibrated at 70% brightness.

I got a couple of nice angled adapters for the USB-C and USB-A ports, it looks so much cleaner now.

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I didn’t think it was going to fit, but this one is just perfect for the Mateview.

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What's the distance between the male and female plug? I'm thinking it has to be at least bare minimum 6 mm in between, but perhaps more like 6.5 mm.

 

[deuxani]

What's the distance between the male and female plug? I'm thinking it has to be at least bare minimum 6 mm in between, but perhaps more like 6.5 mm.

I don’t know the exact measurements, but this is the one that fits just right (I had to apply a little bit of pressure):

https://amzn.eu/d/0PM1Jiq

And also important, it supports 100W charging and 10Gbps data speeds.

 

[EugW]

I have used the SpyderX software to calibrate the MateView in its DCI-P3 mode at 100% brightness, 70% brightness (default), and 50% brightness. All three have removed the green tint I was seeing in the default MateView profile, and all three have also increased the saturation so it no longer looks undersaturated. 70% and 50% look extremely similar. 100% looks fairly close but a bit different than the others. However, it's moot since I won't be running this one, as 100% is far too bright.

According to my calibration software, in sRGB mode, the brightness setting of 55 = 118 nits at the centre of the screen. The software recommends calibrating to 120 nits or a bit less, and 55 was 118 nits while 56 was 122 nits. The default 70 setting was 168 nits or something like that.

I don’t know the exact measurements, but this is the one that fits just right (I had to apply a little bit of pressure):

https://amzn.eu/d/0PM1Jiq

And also important, it supports 100W charging and 10Gbps data speeds.

It looks like it's probably less than 6 mm from the male plug to the edge of the female port on the one you bought.

I came across this one below which says 6 mm, but it seems like it might be less than 6 mm in some parts, because the female port is tapered. Hmm...

It claims 40 Gbps and 100 W, although I'd be skeptical of the 40 Gbps. I don't need 100 W either. I'm using this with my Mac mini. Otherwise I might use it with my 12" MacBook, or maybe an iPad Pro in the future.

 

[dmccurtis]

I have the Mateview 28.2, and connected to a 2016 MBP 15" via USB-C I cannot output 60hz at any resolution, native or scaled, only 30hz. Has anyone experienced this issue, and if so, have you been able to resolve it?

For reference, I have tested with both the included USB-C cable as well as a newly purchased cable, and tested output from all four ports on the MacBook.

 

[Amethyst1]

I have the Mateview 28.2, and connected to a 2016 MBP 15" via USB-C I cannot output 60hz at any resolution, native or scaled, only 30hz.

The AMD Radeon Pro 4xx (Polaris) dGPU in that MBP should support the MateView's resolution at 60 Hz, or more precise, the 631.75 MHz pixel clock required for it. However, it's possible that the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controller or something else is imposing a lower pixel clock limit. To check: Install SwitchResX. Launch it, select the MateView (on the left of the main window) and post a screenshot of the SwitchResX window.

 

[dmccurtis]

The AMD Radeon Pro 4xx (Polaris) dGPU in that MBP should support the MateView's resolution at 60 Hz, or more precise, the 631.75 MHz pixel clock required for it. However, it's possible that the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controller or something else is imposing a lower pixel clock limit. To check: Install SwitchResX. Launch it, select the MateView (on the left of the main window) and post a screenshot of the SwitchResX window.

Here's what I'm seeing:

My preferred scaled resolution is 3008 x 2005, only available in 30 Hz. It looks that the closest equivalent in 60 Hz is 3000 x 2000, though not HiDPI.

 

[EugW]

Here's what I'm seeing: View attachment 2132695
My preferred scaled resolution is 3008 x 2005, only available in 30 Hz. It looks that the closest equivalent in 60 Hz is 3000 x 2000, though not HiDPI.

That's strange. I get all of those at 60 Hz. I normally run 2304x1536, but I have confirmed that 3008x2005 works fine at 60 Hz on this monitor with an M1 Mac mini over USB-C in macOS Ventura 13.1.

 

[Amethyst1]

Here's what I'm seeing:

Can you post a screenshot of the "Display Information" tab so we can see the allowed pixel clock range?

My preferred scaled resolution is 3008 x 2005, only available in 30 Hz. It looks that the closest equivalent in 60 Hz is 3000 x 2000, though not HiDPI.

3600×2400 at 60 Hz is also available (at the bottom of the list). Can you check if that mode works (click the checkbox next to it)? The mode uses a 557 MHz pixel clock so if that works, but 3840×2560 at 60 Hz does not, the pixel clock limit may be something like 600 MHz. (Older pre-Polaris AMD dGPUs had a 600 MHz pixel clock limit.) In this case, you could (1) tell macOS to use 3600×2400 at 60 Hz as the base for all scaled modes or (2) create a custom 3840×2560 57 Hz mode (599.25 MHz pixel clock per CVT-RB) and use that.

 

[EugW]

I was checking Huawei's MateView 28.2" page and they have a link for their video streaming service.
Huawei flat out stole Infuse's logo for it.

This is Infuse's video player logo:

 

[Amethyst1]

That's strange. I get all of those at 60 Hz. I normally run 2304x1536, but I have confirmed that 3008x2005 works fine at 60 Hz on this monitor with an M1 Mac mini over USB-C in macOS Ventura 13.1.

M1 Mac mini ≠ 2016 15" MBP.

As I outlined, the 2016 15" MBP may be subject to a <630 MHz pixel clock limit. The M1 Mac mini is not as it can run the Pro Display XDR which requires a 1286 MHz pixel clock for 6K at 60 Hz.

 

[EugW]

M1 Mac mini ≠ 2016 15" MBP.

As I outlined, the 2016 15" MBP may be subject to a <630 MHz pixel clock limit. The M1 Mac mini is not as it can run the Pro Display XDR which requires a 1286 MHz pixel clock for 6K at 60 Hz.

Yeah, I just checked the 2016 15" MBP specs listed at Apple, and it is limited to 5120x2880 max resolution, which I guess means it can't support the scaling past 5K that is required to support HiDPI 3008x2005 60 Hz.

Video Support​

Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display at millions of colors and:

• Up to two displays with 5120-by-2880 resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors
• Up to four displays with 4096-by-2304 resolution at 60Hz at over a billion colors

Thunderbolt 3 digital video output

• • Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C
  • VGA, HDMI, and Thunderbolt 2 output supported using adapters (sold separately)

EDIT:

Hmm... Ignore the above. That means nothing. I just checked the specs for my lowly 2017 Core m3 12" MacBook, and Apple's spec page states this:

Graphics and Video Support​

• Intel HD Graphics 615
• Dual display and video mirroring: simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 4096-by-2304 resolution at 60Hz on an external display, both at millions of colors

Yet I still get 3008x2005 HiDPI 60 Hz with that machine too.