I think he doesn’t know how to meditate. If your physical condition requires comfort, then you are confusing mediation with relaxing.
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Understood. I know the conversation is venturing into another potentially subjective/speculative zone with meditation thrown in (and suspect my hasty comment did not improve clarity), but can you elaborate? I’m curious to know if your experience is with meditating with the AVP or meditation in general. I’m hoping for the former, but think both are valid.
So far, the early return rate on Apple Vision Pro is pretty low
As it is a polarizing product, there are obviously some returns of Apple Vision Pro headsets. So far, the narrative that it is being returned in droves to Apple Retail appears false.
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I see only positive about about AVP and believe it's the best consumer experience they've ever crafted.
It does, of course, depend upon what you consider meditation. In my case I define it as the need to disconnect myself from the outside world in order to release physical and mental tensions. To get myself in a place of complete peace and relaxation separated from the real world and its worries.
In self-hypnosis one way you do that is to picture yourself in some peaceful place. I use a beach on Lombok island looking toward Bali. Looking at that beach in the VP with soothing music would, for me, be far better than just remembering it. It isn't just the visuals I find soothing it is also the accompanying music. Not yet available on the VP but there are the quite a few apps that are working in that direction.
In this screenshot of the mindfullness app used in the demos the petal ball is expanding/contracting as you are told to breathe in and out. Using the Joshua tree background. Music is calming. Not sure if they are using the Chakra frequencies. After a while watching the petals I eventually relax enough to close my eyes and my world shrinks to just the music and the voice of the narrator. Imagine one of your favorite relaxing places in the background.
The ball then expands into pedals which surge and retract with breathing.
I’ve worn my VP for a walk to the top of our wooded park (about 2 miles on foot). There’s a great view of the valley and a bench to sit on to enjoy it, so I sat down and started a short meditation with the built in app. I loved how I could do this and still see the view I was already enjoying. A few short minutes in, the “flower-ball” begins to open up as the screen darkens, bringing a calm and focused environment, which lasts for the remainder of the time. It was definitely one of my most memorable moments with Vision Pro, and if you haven’t tried this feature out I recommend it!
I meditate casually, and on most days of the week. Sometimes in our home gym or living room but rarely outdoors just because I’m pretty active once I’m outside. It was pretty incredible tho.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this. Can you share some details of your meditation practice? For example: what was your objective? To (a) unwind and relax or (b) to train your mind to observe your thoughts and focus on each thought until it leaves? Both are legitimate, but (b) is aligned with the traditional definition of meditation. I think it would be very helpful to understand which of these objectives (or something else) was the objective of your meditation. Again, thank you for adding this refreshing datapoint to this discussion! 🙏🏽
I appreciate your question. I don’t always have an objective going into meditation, but I also often do. One of my favorites focuses on the creative process without focusing on anything – meaning I’ll think of some silly creative idea- just anything I can think up- and then walk away (in my thoughts) from that idea completely. Just let the space fill up with whatever comes. It’s hard to describe it, but I’ve had some amazing results afterward. It has a way of opening my mind to new ideas. Otherwise, I prefer meditations on calm, focus and kindness.
I’m always open to new ways. These have just been some favorites to this point.
But devs aren't going to make games that use controllers if they aren't sure users are going to have those controllers.
Aren't there a bunch of games for the iPhone/iPad that use controllers? PCs don't come with controllers either -- people who want to play games go out and buy them. So no, I don't think this is a problem.
Watched every minute of that video. EVERY POINT he made has already been made about every piece of tech out there. AND NOT just tech - books. Books introduce people to other worlds - fiction. Even, god forbid, porn. Harlequin Romance anyone? Book banning? Yup. It’s happened and continues to happen.
Growing up, our parents made us go outside to play and STOP watching TV or the boob tube as it was affectionately called ‘cause you would turn out to be a boob if you kept watching it. Stop reading those fantasy books and read these other ones that teach you something, you’re going to grown up not being able to relate to people. Stop playing video games, there’s no future in it - you can’t make any money with it. Your brain is going to turn to mush or better yet, you’re going to become a serial killer as death is normalized for you in those shooter games. Etc. etc. etc.
Listening to that guy and truly, EVERYTHING is bad. All of it. And that’s true! We need water to live, but too much of it……and you die. Food is critical to life, too much of it and you die. Too much social interaction and you fail to launch as an adult - too much play and no pay.
Tech is an enablement. As tech progresses, it does help us improve our lives. With my VP, I’m no longer tied to a desk. If I want, I can go outside and do many of the tasks I’d be stuck doing inside. Sure, can take my laptop out there, but it can be hard to see in the sun. The monitor is much smaller than the two I have inside which makes me less productive.
Use the right tool for the job. Great advice. The VP is a great tool for many things. It’s not meant to be worn 24x7x365.
Oh - and before I go - this guy’s comments about going to visit physically instead of through technology. His entire rant is complete crap. Technology brings us closer. He’s a “tech” guy and doesn’t realize that? You don’t use technology to replace going to see people. You use it to help keep you close. Can you realistically go visit your parents every weekend if they live 1,000 miles away? NO - not unless you have the financial means. But you CAN go visit periodically (holidays, birthdays, etc.) AND have those video visits for a few minutes every weekend if you so choose.
So no - I don’t give that guy any credence. He has no business talking tech if he doesn’t understand it. And if he was REALLY concerned - he’d be talking about how to use tech responsibly, not talking about banishing it like he does.
Growing up, our parents made us go outside to play and STOP watching TV or the boob tube as it was affectionately called ‘cause you would turn out to be a boob if you kept watching it. Stop reading those fantasy books and read these other ones that teach you something, you’re going to grown up not being able to relate to people. Stop playing video games, there’s no future in it - you can’t make any money with it. Your brain is going to turn to mush or better yet, you’re going to become a serial killer as death is normalized for you in those shooter games. Etc. etc. etc.
Listening to that guy and truly, EVERYTHING is bad. All of it. And that’s true! We need water to live, but too much of it……and you die. Food is critical to life, too much of it and you die. Too much social interaction and you fail to launch as an adult - too much play and no pay.
Tech is an enablement. As tech progresses, it does help us improve our lives. With my VP, I’m no longer tied to a desk. If I want, I can go outside and do many of the tasks I’d be stuck doing inside. Sure, can take my laptop out there, but it can be hard to see in the sun. The monitor is much smaller than the two I have inside which makes me less productive.
Use the right tool for the job. Great advice. The VP is a great tool for many things. It’s not meant to be worn 24x7x365.
Oh - and before I go - this guy’s comments about going to visit physically instead of through technology. His entire rant is complete crap. Technology brings us closer. He’s a “tech” guy and doesn’t realize that? You don’t use technology to replace going to see people. You use it to help keep you close. Can you realistically go visit your parents every weekend if they live 1,000 miles away? NO - not unless you have the financial means. But you CAN go visit periodically (holidays, birthdays, etc.) AND have those video visits for a few minutes every weekend if you so choose.
So no - I don’t give that guy any credence. He has no business talking tech if he doesn’t understand it. And if he was REALLY concerned - he’d be talking about how to use tech responsibly, not talking about banishing it like he does.
Somewhat true, but ... I suspect that the success of many creatives, such as those who create the fantasy movies that many love, is at least partially based on the imagination that they developed as a child reading fantasy books. The U.S. is hiring a lot of air traffic controllers. There is a large dropout rate. Guess who are the most successful - video game players. They have developed the skills to read and interpret and react quickly to what they see on their screens.
Um, you are comparing a monitor to a computer. And NONE of them can do anything remotely close to what the VP can do. I’m one who thought there was no way I’d pay $3500 for this thing when announced last year. When I demoed it at the Apple Store, thought “no way, this thing isn’t ready” as I had issues with it. But something kept nagging at me and I needed a longer demo. Get 14 days and see what happens. So bought one a few days later. And each - and every - day, it continues to amaze me. There’s no way I was going to return it. But - I’m also a guy who understands technology.
I would challenge you, and those who keep coming here who will eventually see how so badly wrong they are, to watch these guys. It’s about five hours of viewing, talking about the VP. I’m still watching the second video. But there is nothing else out there that compares and they get it. The first video is important for you to see as you’ll get how they were thinking about it before getting it. The second video is the longest one and there are key points they make and experiences that describe why I still have the VP.
First one: “So Apple Vision Pro was a lie.” 1:44:35
Second one: “Apple Vision Pro changes everything LIVE” 3:40:50
If you can make it through those two videos, you’ll have the best idea what the VP is about without actually using one. I mean, you all can make the time to go look at all the negative videos you can find and come here to do everything you can to disparage the VP and Apple, you ought to be willing to try to understand another point of view.
I’m wondering if you didn’t understand the point I was making. Those statements were made to illustrate how out of touch the guy who did the video was. He was making similar statements about the Vision Pro and what it provides.
I would challenge you, and those who keep coming here who will eventually see how so badly wrong they are, to watch these guys. It’s about five hours of viewing, talking about the VP. I’m still watching the second video. But there is nothing else out there that compares and they get it. The first video is important for you to see as you’ll get how they were thinking about it before getting it. The second video is the longest one and there are key points they make and experiences that describe why I still have the VP.
First one: “So Apple Vision Pro was a lie.” 1:44:35
Second one: “Apple Vision Pro changes everything LIVE” 3:40:50
If you can make it through those two videos, you’ll have the best idea what the VP is about without actually using one. I mean, you all can make the time to go look at all the negative videos you can find and come here to do everything you can to disparage the VP and Apple, you ought to be willing to try to understand another point of view.
I’m wondering if you didn’t understand the point I was making. Those statements were made to illustrate how out of touch the guy who did the video was. He was making similar statements about the Vision Pro and what it provides.
I thought @HDFan was agreeing with you, and illustrating why the statements you heard growing up were out of touch.
What a surprise
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I wonder how are they doing all those users that replied to this thread after just getting the AVP saying it was amazing and I was wrong. I'm sure a lot of them returned their or they're using it as a paper weight
Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores
Apple Vision Pro, Apple's $3,500 spatial computing device, appears to be following a pattern familiar to the AR/VR headset industry – initial...
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I wonder how are they doing all those users that replied to this thread after just getting the AVP saying it was amazing and I was wrong. I'm sure a lot of them returned their or they're using it as a paper weight
Got a grudge against people you don’t know, eh?What a surprise
Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores
Apple Vision Pro, Apple's $3,500 spatial computing device, appears to be following a pattern familiar to the AR/VR headset industry – initial...
I wonder how are they doing all those users that replied to this thread after just getting the AVP saying it was amazing and I was wrong. I'm sure a lot of them returned their or they're using it as a paper weight
There’s an active thread of owners here, maybe ask them their experiences instead of extrapolating that lower interest *at the store* somehow means owners don’t use them?
I love my AVP and remain as convinced as ever that this platform will be important in the Apple Eco System as it continues to develop. I for one have stopped talking much about it here because it's silly to argue with people who don't have it and haven't been using it. Nothing the naysayers are saying has much impact on my direct experience.What a surprise
Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores
Apple Vision Pro, Apple's $3,500 spatial computing device, appears to be following a pattern familiar to the AR/VR headset industry – initial...
I wonder how are they doing all those users that replied to this thread after just getting the AVP saying it was amazing and I was wrong. I'm sure a lot of them returned their or they're using it as a paper weight
Is it a perfect product? Of course not. But that's not the point. It does things for me that no other tech device has ever been able to do for me.
What I don't understand are the gaggle of MR users who are fixated on joining every thread on the AVP, still, to try to prove some opinion they hold to be correct. Why? What's the point? If it's not for you, it's not for you. Period. That doesn't make your opinion on it some universal truth.
Poorly disguised envy tends to make one look like a clown ….
Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores
Apple Vision Pro, Apple's $3,500 spatial computing device, appears to be following a pattern familiar to the AR/VR headset industry – initial...
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Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
Apple has dropped the number of Vision Pro units that it plans to ship in 2024, going from an expected 700 to 800k units to just 400k to 450k units,...
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This is the truth. Even developers are not interested in AVP ecosystem. First of all, AR/VR headsets in consumer markets NEVER succeed and even Meta did not succeed by selling more than 30 million devices. None of them ever justify why people need to use AR/VR devices for several decades and even Apple couldn't solve that problem. And yet, it's too expensive.
At this point, there is no way that AVP will ever success just like others. They should've make it as B2B device like Mac Pro series on specific professions.
”I told you so” never has a good look … especially when you are still wrong.What a surprise
Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores
Apple Vision Pro, Apple's $3,500 spatial computing device, appears to be following a pattern familiar to the AR/VR headset industry – initial...
I wonder how are they doing all those users that replied to this thread after just getting the AVP saying it was amazing and I was wrong. I'm sure a lot of them returned their or they're using it as a paper weight
Yup, especially when YOU are wrong... 🙄
Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
Apple has dropped the number of Vision Pro units that it plans to ship in 2024, going from an expected 700 to 800k units to just 400k to 450k units,...
www.macrumors.com
Ok wow. “Cancels updated headset for 2025”? If true that’s actually a pretty big deal.Yup, especially when YOU are wrong... 🙄
Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
Apple has dropped the number of Vision Pro units that it plans to ship in 2024, going from an expected 700 to 800k units to just 400k to 450k units,...
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