This seems to work. Was able to do an update.From Apple community forums:
Can confirm the above workaround works. I was able to update WhatsApp successfully.
Original post here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252471707?page=1
This seems to work. Was able to do an update.From Apple community forums:
Can confirm the above workaround works. I was able to update WhatsApp successfully.
Original post here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252471707?page=1
Much simpler that the circonvoluted procedure I used... Thanks!From Apple community forums:
Can confirm the above workaround works. I was able to update WhatsApp successfully.
Original post here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252471707?page=1
I booted an old 10.5 Mojave install from an external drive and the problem with the App Store downloads still existed.To really test you would need a completely formatted drive and a copy of 10.14.5 or 10.14.6 from before the previous two security patches and then do the reinstall without network access so the security patch isn't stealth installed.
Same conclusion as you: they manage to fix a bug and then it causes another one... Sudo thing is now a thing of the past but what if I can’t use the AppStore? And support people @Apple replying « update to Big Sur »!It has to be certificate based. I can't think of anything else as I haven't updated anything on my MP5,1 since the 2021-002 supplemental release on 9 February. App Store was working just fine right after that and I do recall updating several applications such as the desktop client of Signal since then without issue. It was only yesterday evening when I noticed a new WhatsApp update that I went and clicked on it. Nothing happened. I ended up getting distracted with work and left the Mac after a few hours. It was only this morning that I discovered my MP5,1 never entered sleep mode, and the only application running was App Store. So I started investigating further, and this is where I find myself now.
But yes, I do hope Apple gets their **** together. For the past 10 years it seems they manage to fix two things while breaking something else in the process and leaving end users to QC/QA. Getting real tired of it.
Is it even possible to upgrade to Big Sur while this App Store bug is thriving? I'm not going to try myself, but it does seem like an interesting gotcha.Same conclusion as you: they manage to fix a bug and then it causes another one... Sudo thing is now a thing of the past but what if I can’t use the AppStore? And support people @Apple replying « update to Big Sur »!
Yes. It should.Is it even possible to upgrade to Big Sur while this App Store bug is thriving? I'm not going to try myself, but it does seem like an interesting gotcha.
My theory is that this is Apple's subtle way of telling us to send all our older Intel Macs to a landfill and buy new M1 based computers running Big Sur.It has to be certificate based. I can't think of anything else as I haven't updated anything on my MP5,1 since the 2021-002 supplemental release on 9 February. App Store was working just fine right after that and I do recall updating several applications such as the desktop client of Signal since then without issue. It was only yesterday evening when I noticed a new WhatsApp update that I went and clicked on it. Nothing happened. I ended up getting distracted with work and left the Mac after a few hours. It was only this morning that I discovered my MP5,1 never entered sleep mode, and the only application running was App Store. So I started investigating further, and this is where I find myself now.
But yes, I do hope Apple gets their **** together. For the past 10 years it seems they manage to fix two things while breaking something else in the process and leaving end users to QC/QA. Getting real tired of it.
Probably not.I wonder if this bug, wherever it is, will now prevent getting security updates from Apple for Mojave users.
Fair enough. I don't know how all that is connected in the back room.Yes. It should.
Because that uses the software update system and not the app store.
From Apple community forums:
Can confirm the above workaround works. I was able to update WhatsApp successfully.
Original post here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252471707?page=1
I totally get what you're saying and agree with it although one important thing needs to be pointed out… it's actually not funny!Isn't it funny - Apple extols the greatness of the App stores. How it helps consumers and protects us from the evils lurking out there. But, we can't even use it and they tell us there's nothing wrong!
I have the same problem as everybody here seems to. I tried the remedies. At least I now don't get the "cloud" buttons for installed apps - I get "Open". Clicking on "Open" does nothing.
Between this and the crazy firmware bug for iMac 17.1 models, I get the idea that Apple really doesn't want these computers to live any longer. They're constantly breaking stuff that used to work. Why??
It's funny (!) that you should bring this up. I was out hiking about and gave some thought to this.I totally get what you're saying and agree with it although one important thing needs to be pointed out… it's actually not funny!
My guess that this is intentional to get "us" to either upgrade to Catalina/Big Sur else but new computers. Interesting this happens to only the last version that runs 32-bit software.
I had the exact same thing happen when Apple released iOS 7. That "upgrade" made my iPhone SE (update - iPhone 4s, not SE) burn up like crazy when wifi was on. At the time, no wifi meant my iPhone was basically useless. It took Apple close to 4 months to fix it. I had actually set a date that if a fix wasn't released I was switching to an Android. The update that fixed it appears literally 3 days before that assigned date. And as a side note, my primary phone is a Samsung Galaxy S10 and I'm currently eying off the S21 Ultra.
Windows is looking pretty good to me right now. ?
Interesting...this is so confusing.Clean installing Mojave 18G103 (which is a Sept 26 2019 release that pre-dates COVID-19) with no updates done the problem persists. I'm pretty sure the issue is at the server end. And that infuriates me totally as Apple could fix this in 10 mins if they wanted to! ??
Then why the F does my 2008 MacBook Pro running Yosemite work perfectly fine with the App Store? It would appear that Apple changed something with the App Store that only screws up Mojave.My theory is that this is Apple's subtle way of telling us to send all our older Intel Macs to a landfill and buy new M1 based computers running Big Sur.
For a company that's having to explain to courts, US Congress, and various equivalents outside the US just why the App Store is a great thing for one and all, they certainly have a curious way of presenting themselves. Maybe Epic and Facebook have a point. (Makes me ill to say that, but mostly because it's Epic and Facebook...)
As pointed by @wellander1 , a new install and the bug is still there. For sure, disabling the Digicert certificate causes AppStore to not function at all. So, unless some expert chime here (I am not one...) and explains exactly what’s going on, we are in the dark.Interesting...this is so confusing.
Let me describe this situation and see if the braintrust has any idea why it's happening. I hate disseminating incorrect information and may have inadvertently done so with respect to this security patch. But here's the deal. Three Macs. All have working App Store. A few days ago I applied the 002 patch to Mac #1 and didn't think twice about it. A couple days ago, I discover it cannot update apps. I assume it's some server BS like from a month ago and just wait a day. Yesterday, same thing. So, I try to update on Mac #2 and Mac #3...they both work and do not have the 002 patch applied. I apply the patch to Mac #2, just to test. Mac #2's app store becomes non functional.
So, now we have Mac #1 and #2 with non functional app stores AND 002 patch applied. Mac #3 has a functional app store, but no 002 patch.
Both Macs #1 & #2 cannot get the manifest.plist file in the App Store folders...Mac #3 can.
That's the situation and I'm wondering if there is some way that the 002 patch, once applied, causes a change on Apple's backend with certificate verification? I just can't figure it out...thoughts?
Yes, all other MacOS’es looks fine but I saw a post on a French forum where one user had AppStore problems with BigSur: apps not completing upgrade or download...? Hackintosh howeverThen why the F does my 2008 MacBook Pro running Yosemite work perfectly fine with the App Store? It would appear that Apple changed something with the App Store that only screws up Mojave.
Apple's ethos of planned obsolescence is one reason I haven't bought a new product in years. My last was a mid-2010 MBP. My personal opinion? The day Jobs died, so did Apple. That culture of innovation passed over to the nether with him. Now, it seems Apple is running solely on a profit-centric model. No charger with a $1,000 iPhone because you want to be more "eco-aware"? You've got to be joking.My theory is that this is Apple's subtle way of telling us to send all our older Intel Macs to a landfill and buy new M1 based computers running Big Sur.
For a company that's having to explain to courts, US Congress, and various equivalents outside the US just why the App Store is a great thing for one and all, they certainly have a curious way of presenting themselves. Maybe Epic and Facebook have a point. (Makes me ill to say that, but mostly because it's Epic and Facebook...)
Looks like it’s the new way, even with Windows 10 with half-year updates. I would prefer at least a better retro compatibility like Microsoft...P.S. I would rather pay $129 for every new Mac OS release than be forced to upgrade perfectly capable hardware. Am I the only one that feels this way?
I should rephrase... I'd rather pay $129 bucks for new Mac OS releases as long as they maintain more than 2 generations of backwards compatibility support.Looks like it’s the new way, even with Windows 10 with half-year updates. I would prefer at least a better retro compatibility like Microsoft...
Ditto! However, I think that the Mac hardware isn’t anymore a priority for them. iDevices and services...I should rephrase... I'd rather pay $129 bucks for new Mac OS releases as long as they maintain more than 2 generations of backwards compatibility support.
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My MP5,1 runs Big Sur 11.2 just fine with OpenCore and few kext hacks. I just booted into it earlier today to see if App Store was borked on that too. Nope. Just saying...
I am personally ok with paying. I'd bet the cost would be less than $129 now, too, since the distribution costs are waayyyy lower by allowing a download rather than shipping a packaged DVD.P.S. I would rather pay $129 for every new Mac OS release than be forced to upgrade perfectly capable hardware. Am I the only one that feels this way?
For me its quite simple, Apple have completely lost their "it just works" mantra and in that, they're now no better or worse than the other guys, just different.It's funny (!) that you should bring this up. I was out hiking about and gave some thought to this.
Whether intentional or not, my conclusion is that this is Apple's way of telling us that:
A) We should buy applications directly from the developers. Most apps I use are available that way. So, unless I am desperate for an app only available from the App Store, I'll only buy apps from the developer.
B) It's a bad idea to upgrade the operating system beyond what came with the hardware. ("Point" or security upgrades don't count) Apple develops new software to work with new hardware that they want to sell you. How much regression testing they do on older hardware is a mystery. Whether they have a strong interest in fixing bugs is another mystery. They make no money on upgrades, so that might be a good clue about this.
Personally, I get the sense that things weren't quite this way in years past. Certainly, there was no etched-in-stone rule that new Apple operating system major versions had to come out each year at a certain time. But, who knows?
As for Windows, I have two specific data points.
The laptop issued to me by my employer is a Lenovo W520 that's about 10 years old. I'm the second user. It started with Windows XP and then was upgraded to Windows 7. (Companies often are slow adopters of new software) A couple years ago, the change was made to Windows 10. It has an i7 processor, however much memory can be installed, and an SSD, just recently upgraded again. I've used this same computer over the years to do thousands of hours of engineering simulations. Are new computers faster? Certainly. But, it still works. And, companies are cheap.
Out of those Windows versions, 7 was by far the most reliable, stable, and easy to use. At least in my experience. Newer versions of Windows make unannounced changes that can kill applications without warning and make add-on hardware like test equipment useless. Please don't ask how I know this.
But, I do have a white iMac circa mid-2006 with a Core 2 Duo that runs Windows 7 very well.
Overall, the Mac system is much better in pretty much every way. But, they sure make it hard. Harder than it needs to be, as proven by how much easier it worked previously.
A colleague asked me to debug the Teams application on her new MacBook Air running Catalina. So, yes, it just doesn’t work... Probably just a couple of things with the new Security realm...For me its quite simple, Apple have completely lost their "it just works" mantra and in that, they're now no better or worse than the other guys, just different.
It took me 2 hours to get Teams running properly on Catalina with my other MP. Combination of SIP issues and what not.A colleague asked me to debug the Teams application on her new MacBook Air running Catalina. So, yes, it just doesn’t work... Probably just a couple of things with the new Security realm...