“Doing the right thing” is moving all Apple manufacturing out of the PRC. Cook could announce the time schedule tomorrow. What are the chances?
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Tim Cook Defends Removal of Hong Kong Mapping App From App Store in Leaked Memo
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Let’s be honest with ourselves - that’s not what’s going on.
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No. I’m one of those people who know the world isn’t black and white. I know America isn’t perfect so I’m not pretending it is. Hard to believe other people want non American policies, I know big guy.
OK, so how should immigration work? You stated that it's hypocritical to promote American ideals in other parts of the world, but not allow everyone in.
"We don't recognize the right for others to criticize the things I say".
it's almost like you also don't believe in the freedom of speech you're so trying to defend here.
He "Could" but seeing that it is a publicly traded company it would be the last thing he does before being fired.
But he could sleep like a man you did the right thing. Decisions like that show what kind of man you are everything else is politics and why the world is so ****ed up and upside down.
Tim Cook is not just an employee of Apple. He is a CEO and gigantic share holder who vests hundreds of millions based on AAPL valuations. He collected over $120m this year alone. If AAPL stock prices remain the same as they are right now, he will collect about double that next year. There’s a difference between executive leadership at the top whose compensation packages are tied directly to performance versus a “Genius” telling someone yes or no they will not fix the iPhone under warranty or recall repair.
There’s a difference between, a large shareholder and an employee who makes no decisions about corporate strategy and direction. Tim Apple is all about AAPL - we now know his real agenda will always be AAPL and NOT Apple Corporation.
Hypocrisy might be humanity’s most defining trait. To hold a strong opinion on anything involving the behavior of others is to instantly inhabit a state of hypocrisy.
It is very clear why Apple (more so than Cook) did what it did. The huge amounts of money involved did the speaking here. The obsession with blaming one person—like we do with presidents—seems a bit strange. Who knows what Cook *really* thought about this decision. It seems to me as if he has a soul, so I’m sure this didn’t make him happy.
Also, if you could calculate the *actual* profits at risk and the *actual* negative impact of removing this app, my guess is that the most rational, ethical hypothetical entity in existence might’ve acted just like Apple did. Change of the sort being discussed in Hong Kong occurs slowly and over time. To risk access to possibly the world’s biggest market (and thus the ability to wield any kind of future influence)—simply over the removal of this app—likely doesn’t make sense from a broad, longterm ethical perspective either.
But I have to agree. As this appears, in black-and-white, in this very moment, it does look like an instance of trading the moral high ground for profit. (But just how high are we setting the bar? Let’s not pretend to be ignorant of what goes on in daily business dealings in America either.)
This is an interesting statement if your commitment and perspective are both as wide as you portray them to be. The transition sounds a bit painful, but I have a lot of respect for people who truly put their money and time where their mouth is. It’s not easy to do. (Like investing your money ethically.)
At least you’ll be upgrading your music platform. I’ve used all of them and prefer Spotify by a wide margin.
Do you really think China would have shut itself off to Apple over this app? Really?
Apple is so scared and so full of (rhymes with spit) it can’t even be bothered to at least TEST the Chinese government (at least not that we are aware of at any rate).
Grow a sack Timmy.
Zero. Chinese manufacturing infrastructure was developed over many years and with substantial assistance from the Chinese government. The level of turn-on-a-dime manufacturing infrastructure Apple requires employing several hundred thousand people simply does not exist in the United States.
There are options that are being explored, such as India. But I doubt they're set up to crank out Apple's daily needs between 600,000 and 900,000 iPhones, on average.
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You seem to have in-depth knowledge of the Chinese government and the business dynamics in play. Why not write a letter to Mr. Cook and offer him some advice on how to test the Chinese government?
Apple's equation for making decisions is simple:
Which decision will make them the most money long term. That's it. They have never made a certain decision because it was the "right" thing to do, and they never will. It's not evil, it's just business.
And there's hypocrisy on both sides, always will be.
Which decision will make them the most money long term. That's it. They have never made a certain decision because it was the "right" thing to do, and they never will. It's not evil, it's just business.
And there's hypocrisy on both sides, always will be.
Yes that’s true, and it would take time and cost money to move the manufacturing elsewhere. But simply announcing the decision to move would rock the Chinese government because there is no replacement for Apple in their economy. Tim Cook is just not willing to walk the walk and play hardball.
It would take many years and substantial government subsidies to develop the turn-on-a-dime manufacturing infrastructure required by Apple (600K - 900K iPhones/day), on average. The threat of moving might raise eyebrows, but it would be stupid to bluff without a path to the required infrastructure. There are plenty of other tech (and other) foreign companies that keep China's economy humming.
"Tim Cook is just not willing to walk the walk and play hardball."
Are there any other US CEOs who advocate on behalf of Chinese citizens, playing hardball against the Chinese government? Listing a few names would be nice.
Tim Cook, however, rightfully advocates on behalf of US citizens, against the US government with respect to matters concerning Apple.
To be “China free” would involve throwing out many of the consumer electronics and not driving or taking public transportation.
I have no plans for changing my purchase habits, but I wish you luck with yours.
Go back and read what I wrote. I specifically state that only corporate leaders can move manufacturing and production outside of China. I also stated that I am trying to reduce my dependence on any one company such as Apple. And, I don’t agree with throwing any electronics out and never said such. As we buy new products, I think we should try to reduce dependence on China. Even if leaders like Tom Cook will not do it, and tariffs don’t work, we have some say. We don’t have to throw out anything or boycott any one company, but we should try to improve ourselves and the world around us a little bit. Kaizen way - small improvements. Eliminate total dependence on Apple is possible. Eliminate all Chinese goods, possible but would require most to go “off grid.” So total dependence is something I am talking about. I still think Apple makes the best iPad, but I am done buying one annually. I have switched from crappy Mac keyboards to a new computer. I am reducing dependence on the ecosystem that is Apple, but I love my AirPods. The total reliance on one company for all technology we buy is just as dumb as Apple is for allowing much of its reliance on China as it leads to Apple being held hostage. Just as we sheep feel hostage for Apple’s at times ridiculous prices.
The only thing far left about Tim is his stance on marriage equality.
I have no dependence on any one company. Apple is part of an overall tech solution in my house and I have no plans to reduce my acquisitions of Apple products. I believe it’s one of the better companies out there and they try to do the right thing.
Everybody should do what they feel comfortable with.