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vladi

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OK, so this is a BIG one that's going to take a lot of work but it's going to be something that could really be a giant thing in the future.
Virtual People/Friends/Family.

Imagine your home, it is of course all mapped in 3D by your headset.
You can then have virtual people in your home, they will of course be powered by a form of AI to give them "life"
When wearing the headset, they will freely walk around your home, interacting with items.
Sitting on the sofa with your, watching TV with you.
You can have discussions with them, talk about their day, they will ask about your day.
You will build up relationships with them.

In time, they could even be family members which are no longer around, AI taking in all the data from a loved one, who you can still have with you.
Imagine a very elderly person who's lifelong partner has died, and they face the next 5 - 10 years being alone missing their single love, and being able to still see and talk to a representation of them instead of sitting there alone every dat.

Naturally with an Artificial person/s with you, you can imagine any possibility.

So there, Virtual Humans in your AR home.

You basically described The Sims in VR :)

Anyway whole thing of AI replacing your deceased mother with visual and sounds is a wrong path, doable but bad for your mental health as this will reignite the pain everytime you take off your headset. Similar effect to those who are watching video recordings of their lost ones every day or so. These people can't move on, they are stuck and in pain.

Life moves on and people move on by getting introduced to other people and social situations. Apple is the leader is physical social distancing and isolation and with this headset they are digging even deeper into the darkness. Todays kids don't even talk properly, they communicate better through texting while not within eye contact.
 

iZac

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I would actually reenable Siri if it was JOI from Blade Runner wandering around my AR environment.

...Just sayin'
 
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kkee

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Pretty much anything you see on iOS Apps can be remade for spatial. The reason they haven't been done that way because the current VR/AR is not powerful enough to create a flawless smooth experience that user enjoy with high res and zero latency.

There other day I was looking at the top 25 iPhone apps, and come out with several ideas. Here are 5 examples.

1. 5 Minute Journal: how do you make daily journaling more immersive than just typing? Maybe recording your voice with your choice of environment? Or recording your 'avatar' self in your real environment with 3D video that one day your future self can relive?
2. Ahead is an anger management app that trains you to notice when you're getting wired up and teaches techniques to better manage your emotions. A yoga that you can do on the beach? mountain? while your physical body is still in your living room (but you don't need to be aware of that).
3. Blek is an addictive simple game play, you draw a line to connect all the color dots around you. It sounds simple, but it's simply addictive. If done right, it could be an effective stress relief.
4. A website doesn't have to be in 2D anymore. Canva can help you to create a 3D website. Consider the contents in 3D interactive will make users spending more time on it. Currently an average attention span one stay on one website is 5 seconds. A more interactive 3D environment website will extend that time longer. Granted that you will need the headset to access that, but keep that in mind you will have a good head start.
5. Duolingo: how do you make learning a foreign language more engaging? By talking to the 3D model of the foreigner while visiting their country. You can walk in the alley of Paris while talking to a virtual Frenchman.
 

dante_mr

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5. Duolingo: how do you make learning a foreign language more engaging? By talking to the 3D model of the foreigner while visiting their country. You can walk in the alley of Paris while talking to a virtual Frenchman.
Language learning could be huge if done right. Face-to-face language lessons are almost always better than online or self-study ones, especially when coupled with group projects, presentations, field trips etc. (did French in college that involved all those elements and managed to get to B1/B2 level in 3 semesters from scratch--sadly forgot most if not everything so back to A1/A2 whereas my progress with Duolingo was always much slower).

In a virtual space you could do all of that and make it much easier to find and connect with other learners of your target language. Not just walking a Parisian alley, but also going to a cafe virtually and practicing how to order food in one scenario, or going to a store and practicing how to express colors and sizes and shopping expressions etc.

Another problem with language classes is, depending on the area, finding enough students for a class to run can be difficult, especially for smaller languages. And if you do it online, you're back to the problem of having to use video calling which can work for sure...but also just isn't like the real thing.

Language learning in a proper virtual space could be the key to solving that. Current implementations like Mondly, Immerse, and Nountown look and feel clunky. And I think a big part of that is the underlying platform (i.e. Quest). So hopefully Vision brings the tools and tech needed for a smoother user experience.

Fingers crossed for Duolingo VR 🤞

Edit: in fact, education and online tutoring could be huge if done right.

Given the Vision Pro's impressive passthrough, imagine you and, say, a piano instructor connecting live and you can see your instructors fingers overlaid over yours (and vice versa). This allows for live and accurate feedback for finger placement (something current piano learning apps completely lack) from a professional pianist halfway across the country or the world.

Even though visionOS doesn't allow for live video feeds from the sensors, I believe it can overlay stuff on the environment and share that instead which should be sufficient in combination with the skeletal hand tracking described in the documentation.
 

kkee

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Language learning could be huge if done right. Face-to-face language lessons are almost always better than online or self-study ones, especially when coupled with group projects, presentations, field trips etc. (did French in college that involved all those elements and managed to get to B1/B2 level in 3 semesters from scratch--sadly forgot most if not everything so back to A1/A2 whereas my progress with Duolingo was always much slower).

In a virtual space you could do all of that and make it much easier to find and connect with other learners of your target language. Not just walking a Parisian alley, but also going to a cafe virtually and practicing how to order food in one scenario, or going to a store and practicing how to express colors and sizes and shopping expressions etc.

Another problem with language classes is, depending on the area, finding enough students for a class to run can be difficult, especially for smaller languages. And if you do it online, you're back to the problem of having to use video calling which can work for sure...but also just isn't like the real thing.

Language learning in a proper virtual space could be the key to solving that. Current implementations like Mondly, Immerse, and Nountown look and feel clunky. And I think a big part of that is the underlying platform (i.e. Quest). So hopefully Vision brings the tools and tech needed for a smoother user experience.

Fingers crossed for Duolingo VR 🤞

Edit: in fact, education and online tutoring could be huge if done right.

Given the Vision Pro's impressive passthrough, imagine you and, say, a piano instructor connecting live and you can see your instructors fingers overlaid over yours (and vice versa). This allows for live and accurate feedback for finger placement (something current piano learning apps completely lack) from a professional pianist halfway across the country or the world.

Even though visionOS doesn't allow for live video feeds from the sensors, I believe it can overlay stuff on the environment and share that instead which should be sufficient in combination with the skeletal hand tracking described in the documentation.
I have contacted Duolingo devs who seems to be interested in the idea of learning language directly with a virtual native speakers in their virtual native environment. It seems Duolingo VR is coming, it's just a matter of when considering the complexity of the number of languages out there. I would love to walk down Parisian alley, visit the coffee shop and order a food in French (virtually from my cosy living room, no airplane ticket is required :D) The best part? If I said something wrongly, no one shall get embarrassed.

The piano lessons idea is great example on how AR can be used as teaching tool. Overlaying relevant information dynamically while doing certain tasks is just simply convenient and time saving. This is a game changer in combining productivity, education and entertainment into one. Never had I felt so excited with mixed reality before.
 

Le0M

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Aug 13, 2020
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OK, so this is a BIG one that's going to take a lot of work but it's going to be something that could really be a giant thing in the future.
Virtual People/Friends/Family.

Imagine your home, it is of course all mapped in 3D by your headset.
You can then have virtual people in your home, they will of course be powered by a form of AI to give them "life"
When wearing the headset, they will freely walk around your home, interacting with items.
Sitting on the sofa with your, watching TV with you.
You can have discussions with them, talk about their day, they will ask about your day.
You will build up relationships with them.

In time, they could even be family members which are no longer around, AI taking in all the data from a loved one, who you can still have with you.
Imagine a very elderly person who's lifelong partner has died, and they face the next 5 - 10 years being alone missing their single love, and being able to still see and talk to a representation of them instead of sitting there alone every dat.

Naturally with an Artificial person/s with you, you can imagine any possibility.

So there, Virtual Humans in your AR home.
I understand where this is coming from, and from a creative standpoint, yes, it's good.
But we as human beings need to learn to accept and understand death, and not keep living in sorrow, and - I'm sorry to say - but such an app would do nothing but prevent us from dealing with death and its meaning.
 

Kierkegaarden

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Dec 13, 2018
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I understand where this is coming from, and from a creative standpoint, yes, it's good.
But we as human beings need to learn to accept and understand death, and not keep living in sorrow, and - I'm sorry to say - but such an app would do nothing but prevent us from dealing with death and its meaning.
I don’t see such an app even being technically possible at this point, but it would probably be a welcome distraction for some. Getting a cat might be more practical.
 
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Piggie

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Let's leave reality for a moment and jump forward perhaps (not that long) 50 years.

Then we have an AI system that get's trained in some way to exactly map the mind of a elderly person.
It studies all the data about them and everything they have ever done, and also somehow does brain mapping.
And we end up with a digital AI replica of that person who reacts and responds 100% to the living person.
You can then, pretty easy recreate their physical appearance in AR and have them interact with real life objects in the home.
So as long as you wear the glasses they are there with you to interact with, share memories, ask advice as you always did.
This person dies.

Are we against the surviving elderly person having this ability to maintain their relationship with the copy of their loved one?
And we expect them to spend the remainder of their years alone, just waiting to die so they hope they may see their partner one more? As statistics prove many elderly will die soon themselves after such a loss.

Or do we agree that they should have the right to experience what Tech may then be able to offer and continue at least with the aid of AI to carry on, without feeling alone for their remaining years?
 

iZac

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Apr 28, 2003
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How about a virtual jukebox or turntable to manage your digital music collection.

It should have integration with Apple Music / Spotify / so you can check out the album art on virtual vinyl.

Maybe it can pull up two turntables and a mixer so you can mix tracks yourself. Oh, when you mix your BPMs perfectly a crowd springs up hollering around you too.
 

dante_mr

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Jun 13, 2023
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How about a virtual jukebox or turntable to manage your digital music collection.

It should have integration with Apple Music / Spotify / so you can check out the album art on virtual vinyl.

Maybe it can pull up two turntables and a mixer so you can mix tracks yourself. Oh, when you mix your BPMs perfectly a crowd springs up hollering around you too.
Along these lines, I'd love a "Listening Room" experience on Apple Music.

Artists could have their own custom room made for fans to listen to an album in a specific setting. Sort of an evolution of the animated album art we have now. With a jukebox or whatever medium virtually presented in the room. Could fit whatever aesthetic the artist is going for. E.g.pop artists going for a Y2K aesthetic could have a CD player in the virtual experience.

Imagine listening to a Bjork album in an alien-like landscape inspired by her visuals.

It would be extra neat if you can SharePlay and have friends or family join in. This would be a spatial extension of the social features already present on Apple Music like SharePlay, streaming to multiple AirPods when you're with someone, and seeing what music your friends are listening to.
 
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iQuit

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Did anyone else notice that its called the Vision Pro? Kind of like Macbook Pro?

So that mean the REAL VISION is coming soon.
 

TVreporter

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Colleges and universities could host virtual tours before freshmen arrive on campus. Give them an idea where things are on bigger campuses. Students can map out their schedules better.

Of course there’s the virtual classes but everyone has mentioned that.
 

ctdonath

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Mar 11, 2009
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Well, count electric cars out of that list... they took over 100 years to reach today and they are not yet in their ultimate form...
I still have i-Glasses VR from 1995 ... 28 years ago.
We're just getting to viable VR now, some 1/3rd century after VR started.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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Body change /augmentation app.

During the very hot weather it's quite reasonable someone in the privacy of their own home would wish to undress totally to enjoy cool air from electric fans over themselves.
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, in fact probably a good idea if it's very hot.

So whilst doing so, you are wearing your Vision Pro. Looking down at yourself or looking in the mirror.
What would you/could you see and how could this be altered?
 

Surf Monkey

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I don’t see such an app even being technically possible at this point, but it would probably be a welcome distraction for some. Getting a cat might be more practical.

The type and number of dystopian nightmares some people gleefully describe here with no sense of awareness about how anti-social and down right creepy they are is remarkable.
 

Surf Monkey

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Body change /augmentation app.

During the very hot weather it's quite reasonable someone in the privacy of their own home would wish to undress totally to enjoy cool air from electric fans over themselves.
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever, in fact probably a good idea if it's very hot.

So whilst doing so, you are wearing your Vision Pro. Looking down at yourself or looking in the mirror.
What would you/could you see and how could this be altered?

Seems like this would be a severe hazard for people who have body dysmorphia and associated disorders.
 

Kierkegaarden

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The type and number of dystopian nightmares some people gleefully describe here with no sense of awareness about how anti-social and down right creepy they are is remarkable.
Some people take drugs and alcohol to change their state. Some people distract themselves by using social media, watching endless television, shopping, etc. Most of the ways people live shouldn’t be considered “ideal” — we may need a temporary fix to get us through something. If there is something that allows me this without the use of the things mentioned above, I’m all for it.
 

Surf Monkey

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Some people take drugs and alcohol to change their state. Some people distract themselves by using social media, watching endless television, shopping, etc. Most of the ways people live shouldn’t be considered “ideal” — we may need a temporary fix to get us through something. If there is something that allows me this without the use of the things mentioned above, I’m all for it.

So, one vote for a “Ready Player One” future.

Problems in the real world need to be solved in the real world. Retreating into an iPhone helmet is not a healthy way to deal with problems in the real world.
 

Kierkegaarden

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So, one vote for a “Ready Player One” future.

Problems in the real world need to be solved in the real world. Retreating into an iPhone helmet is not a healthy way to deal with problems in the real world.
As I clearly said, it isn’t ideal — but it may move the needle enough for someone to deal with issues without using destructive substances. Is taking some prescription drugs dealing with problems? Taking drugs, alcohol, watching tv by yourself, playing games? None of these are solutions, but for some people, in some situations, they may help.
 

InvertedGoldfish

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I’d like to see it have thermal, LiDAR and night vision and be able to be worn in and used setting, especially if it had a plug-in for ATK (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Team_Awareness_Kit) also be nice to be able to do some ballistic calculations

That being said and with the demographic of who’s going to buy it, I predict old person/kid Nintendo weee style games and dumb “immersive” social media stuff… and porn will be the only places it really makes any sense vs a real computer, or a small handheld device

I won’t be dropping thousands to strap that thing to my face
 
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ryguyMN

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This is probably impossible, but I would like to see some sort of Time Machine app, where you can go back in time and interact with things virtually. Like going into a Blockbuster store and picking a movie off the shelf.
 
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