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Ploki

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The thinness fetish is stupid. The idea a MacBook Pro is thin and light weight is just as stupid. If you want a thin laptop get an Air. If I get a Pro, it should mean it, where you get more than Thunderbolt, you get legacy, you get SD, you get 10 GbE. Not everyone wants everything to be wireless.

How is Legacy "pro" lol. 4 Thunderbolts is as pro as macbooks ever where.
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The apple of 2008-2012:
Made a MacBook Air that was almost $2,000
Made an iPhone with terrible signal
Made Mobile Me, which failed
Introduced Apple Maps years before it was ready.
Refused to give the Mac Pro a proper update after 2010
you forgot iTunes Ping.

there was also its successor, apple music connect. terrible.
 

Scott6666

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So I should have shame for the way I am?

What are these extra rights that I will supposedly have over heterosexuals?

Don't you like get a special membership card, a lapel pin, and a secret handshake? Discounts at the movies (since all of Hollywood is gay, you know) and Apple products (because of Tim)? That's what we hear.

;-)
 
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Lounge vibes 05

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The Apple Watch — Tim Cook. Not in development until after Jobs’ death.

Beats acquisition/Apple Music — Tim Cook

AirPods — Tim Cook
HomePod — Tim Cook
AR device? Tim Cook
Apple Tags? Tim Cook
Apple car? Tim Cook

People complain Tim Cook isn’t Steve Jobs. That’s definitely true. And no one else is either. Name someone, anyone who has Jobs’ skills, vision and ability to create consumer products/tech (or services) who is on the level of Jobs, that Apple’s board should/could hire were they to dump Cook.

This should be stapled on every shareholder's head:

Value of Apple pre-Cook: $350 billion
Value of Apple now: $1.1 trillion
Thanks Tim Apple for everything you’ve done already, and will do for Apple over the next 25-30 years
I can name someone, Elon Musk
 

Darth Tulhu

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My 2 cents:

I see a lot of left vs right, capitalism vs communism or socialism on this thread (seems unrelated).

Forgive me for adding fuel to the fire, but personally, despite my Sith moniker, I'm a centrist.

I believe that any radical left or right ideology is a recipe for oppression, because the problem is human nature. Though I believe the left is inherently inclusive and the right is inherently exclusive, but I digress.

Seems to me that Capitalism is, at it's core, free but amoral.

Examples of it going wrong include the decimation of the Americas, the North Atlantic Slave Trade, & the impact of the East India Company on the entire Asia/Pacific region.

Converseley, it appears Communism and socialism, at their core, are oppressive but egalitarian.
Examples of that going wrong include Stalin, Castro, and Tianamen Square (among others).

It is my belief that we need something in the middle, for example:

An America with more socialism (egalitarianism), and a China with perhaps a lot more freedom (can't really speak accurately, as I'm not chinese).

Neither is simple to implement or attain in the current global climate.

I'm all for freedom, but PURE freedom and amorality can be dangerous (free to kill whoever offends me, for example). I also believe that our government agencies should be FOR THE PEOPLE, and do for them what the individual cannot (including protecting, preventing, and forbidding certain things). That makes choosing our leaders carefully of UTMOST importance.

Very interesting times we live in, and I'm still researching this so as to better understand the causality.

On topic:

I think that Tim speaking of his views and experiences in the interview is appropriate, regardless of how I feel about that, or his decision-making at Apple.

They're interviewing the Tim Cook, a man who happens to be the CEO of Apple.
 
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Ploki

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My 2 cents:

I see a lot of left vs right, capitalism vs communism or socialism on this thread (seems unrelated).

Forgive me for adding fuel to the fire, but personally, despite my Sith moniker, I'm a centrist.

I believe that any radical left or right ideology is a recipe for oppression, because the problem is human nature. Though I believe the left is inherently inclusive and the right is inherently exclusive, but I digress.

Seems to me that Capitalism is, at it's core, free but amoral.

Examples of it going wrong include the decimation of the Americas, the North Atlantic Slave Trade, & the impact of the East India Company on the entire Asia/Pacific region.

Converseley, it appears Communism and socialism, at their core, are oppressive but egalitarian.
Examples of that going wrong include Stalin, Castro, and Tianamen Square (among others).

It is my belief that we need something in the middle, for example:

An America with more socialism (egalitarianism), and a China with perhaps a lot more freedom (can't really speak accurately, as I'm not chinese).

Neither is simple to implement or attain in the current global climate.

I'm all for freedom, but PURE freedom and amorality can be dangerous (free to kill whoever offends me, for example). I also believe that our government agencies should be FOR THE PEOPLE, and do for them what the individual cannot (including protecting, preventing, and forbidding certain things). That makes choosing our leaders carefully of UTMOST importance.

Very interesting times we live in, and I'm still researching this so as to better understand the causality.

On topic:

I think that Tim speaking of his views and experiences in the interview is appropriate, regardless of how I feel about that, or his decision-making at Apple.

They're interviewing the Tim Cook, a man who happens to be the CEO of Apple.
Youre still more left than centre tho
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get one of these https://www.redbubble.com/shop/gay+iphone-cases and save 3000$/€/£ for the next fastest ever iphone with 10 cameras and rainbow colours
some of these look like the classic apple logo
 

Glideslope

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Tim is a sad and confused man. He loves to lecture America on what “good values” are yet turns a blind eye to Chinese oppression of Hong Kong and muslims.

Not at all. Tim is a full blooded Capitalist. He will do anything to raise the value of his company. He is neither sad, nor confused. If anything he is internally conflicted. I would differentiate that from confused.

Tim is and has always been outstanding COO material. The role of CEO conflicts too much at a company such as Apple with someone like Tim.

I believe he does care about situations such as Hong Kong and other similar challenges in today’s world. He simply can’t resolve his internal conflict with his social values and balancing them with his strong belief in Capitalism.

I‘m no fan of Tim, but I think we all need to step back and try to understand the challenges in doing business globally in 2019. He is between a rock and a hard place. A new CEO may spur more innovation. While I miss SJ immensely even he would have difficulty navigating today’s global manufacturing plan-o-grams. Tim is really just a reflection of today’s global economy. I doubt he feels good about many decisions he is forced to make.

I‘m willing to give him space on this one. :apple:
 

PickUrPoison

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I can name someone, Elon Musk
1) He’s already got a job so I don’t think Apples board could hire him. 2) I don’t think he’s on Jobs level with respect to creating consumer products/tech, at least so far. Jobs had Apple I/II, Mac, iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, MacBook Air, iPad. The Tesla cars are fine, but that’s all he’s got in that category as of now. We don’t know that he’s got another consumer tech product in him. 3) Based on the financial performance of Tesla, the board would be crazy to trade Cook for Musk.
 
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djjaes

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As a gay man, I admire those that unabashedly are proud of who they are. However, where I take issue with the "whole coming out thing" is that why do we LGBTQ+ individuals have to come out? Do heterosexuals have to come out and proclaim who and what they are? I dare say not. I believe in just being yourself and if others wish to label you, then that is on them.
 

Lounge vibes 05

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1) He’s already got a job so I don’t think Apples board could hire him. 2) I don’t think he’s on Jobs level with respect to creating consumer products/tech, at least so far. Jobs had Apple I/II, Mac, iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, MacBook Air, iPad. The Tesla cars are fine, but that’s all he’s got in that category as of now. We don’t know that he’s got another consumer tech product in him. 3) Based on the financial performance of Tesla, the board would be crazy to trade Cook for Musk.
I'm not saying that Musk should work at Apple. That would be a terrible idea. I'm just saying that Jobs and Musk are comparable.
Musk at apple is actually funny. Imagine that guy stumbling through an introduction of a new iPhone or Mac Pro.
 

djlythium

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One of the most unfortunate aspects of this entire situation is that there is a problematic amount of people who are uninformed, and will take Cook’s continued social justice statements as further evidence of Apple’s progressivity.

In fact, Apple is probably counting on such people to help maintain/boost its image.
 

Glockworkorange

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As opposed to gun toatin' conservatives who don't discriminate and just toss everyone off a cliff who don't fall in line with their ideology?
We don't toss people off a cliff if they don't agree with our ideology.

I don't blame you for not knowing, as our views are censored throughout the tech space. Not your fault!

Or we're given a squirt gun emoji as a big middle finger to one of our constitutional rights.
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So I should have shame for the way I am?

What are these extra rights that I will supposedly have over heterosexuals?

I think the posters comments are a joke, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What I will say is there was nothing "brave" about Tim Cook coming out as being gay.

He timed it right around the time of and in the heat of the Obergefell decision (interestingly, no spell check notification for that name--pretty quick!).

This isn't 1956 or even 1983---being gay is trendy, accepted and celebrated throughout pop culture.

There are gay characters in our commercials, TV shows, movies...Hell, even in comic books, not to mention all the rainbow colored flags flown by major corporations throughout the month of June.

Think being gay is a stigma? Maybe in some backwater places, but not throughout pop culture and the dominant modes of communication--the entertainment industry, academia, mainstream news media, etc.

And that's fine!

Now, Cook would be really brave if he didn't make a squirt gun emoji and didn't ban Alex Jones, but he won't do that because his "activism" is crass and opportunistic--look at China.

"Bravery" isn't doing the popular or trendy thing---bravery (and courage) is standing up for unpopular things, ideas and people.

It's why the ACLU was brave to protect the Nazi's right to march in Skokie.

Liberals used to understand this---they used to say "I may disagree with what you say, but will fight to the death for your right to say it!"

Think a liberal says that now? lol.

Now all the left cares about is banning things they don't like or disagree with.

And Apple is absolutely on board with that.

If you don't agree, I have an emoji squirt gun to sell you.
 
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PickUrPoison

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Well, Steve did talk about tech everywhere and always gave us insight on why they do what they do. I don’t see a reason why Tim should leave it out because he talks in a certain publication.
Maybe he did talk about it and they edited it out, who knows? It was an interview in People, they’re going to ask the questions they want and print what they want.

When Cook was interviewed by CNBC (Jan 2019, May 2019), Time (April 2019), Stern (Oct 2019), CBS (June 2019), Axios (Nov 2018), Tech Crunch (May 2019), ABC (May 2019), NPR (Feb 2019), PBS (Oct 2018), BILD (Oct 2019), Reuters (Nov 2018) he talked about Apple plenty. (Those interviews are all within the last year.)
 

Ploki

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I wish they would drop the focus on new "diversity emojis" and fix their hardware and software products. Steve would have never let their product spectrum become such a mess.

DesertNomad
An Apple user and developer since 1986.

These two are not mutually exclusive tho.
I agree with diversity emojis and i also agree with their product spectrum being a mess, how about that!
 

rgbrock1

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Tim has been successful, but only because he rode the coattails of SJ and the average rank and file worker at Apple - who, up until his point have kept Apple moving forward (albeit, at a very slow pace). He rung out every one of SJ's last ideas and now the chamois is dry and stiff as a board. He has done nothing for the company except lobby and showcase his hypocrisy. It's plain to see he only pursues causes that not only benefit and interest Apple shareholders, but himself. The former is expected, the latter is disgusting.

He has done a slam-dunk job of pulling the wool over the eyes of the board and convinced them he's doing anything less than a fantastic job. He's a terrible leader and I can only hope Apple realizes this and finds some real leadership talent to make them Apple again. Maybe they know he's awful and just have no one to replace him? That's my hope. If they remove him without an amazing replacement, the stock will tumble 30%.

I scoffed a bit at Amazon in 2014 when they started to push their Fire TV and Alexa devices. Now my house is filled with Amazon tech, and they are killing it. If they come up with a better phone, it could be trouble for Apple.

Amazon did have a phone: The Fire Phone. It failed miserably.
 
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jonblatho

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The fact that Steve Jobs made Tim Cook his successor implied that even Steve Jobs himself didn’t think it was necessary that the CEO of Apple be a product person.
That’s because they don’t. A CEO is charged with major strategic decisions and maximizing shareholders’ value; it is unusual and in some respects a risk for a CEO to be as hands-on as Steve Jobs was. Tim Cook’s approach thus far has generally been to let the other senior executives be hands-on in their own areas of expertise and sign off on or reject their work. Just as a CEO should do.
 

Darth Tulhu

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Youre still more left than centre tho

Based on the limited info on my post perhaps it's easy to think so.

I focus on the issue and not on the "party". I'm an American citizen but I don't identify as Republican or Democrat, Liberal nor Conservative (or any of the other breakdowns that exist).

I haven't really counted to see where I fall... In some I'm a righty: Guns, abortion, gender definition (binary), LGBT adoption of children, religious freedom (Christian)

In others, I'm a lefty: immigration, LGBT rights (except the above), antifa, taxes, separation of church and state, religious freedom (believe what you want, even Atheism), pro-science, anti-Trump (him and his fans are the Jedi to my Sith, even if a broken clock is right at least twice a day).

But generally, I'd say I'm inclusive so perhaps yes, a right-leaning lefty.

I like to think most people are not hard-left nor right.

I know the above opens me for some flaming, but still, this is just my opinion and I'm open to discussion.

Please keep it civil, though.
 

rgbrock1

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Tim Cook is impressive. He comes through as a kind, caring man. He has led Apple to become the most valuable public company by providing products others wish they could produce. The future looks bright and the products continue to amaze.

Providing products others wish they could produce? That's a hoot. For a very small example. ASUS makes the Zenbook 15. (I have a 2019 15" MBP as well.) The Zenbook 15 comes standard with a 512 GB NVMe SSS as well as 16GB RAM. It looks much nicer than the MBP and also runs circles around it as far as performance goes. For about the price of a MacBook Air.
 
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I7guy

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You are correct that "development" took place under Tim Cook's watch, but concept and initial design work began in 2011 before Job's death. Cook picked up the idea and ran with it, but to say it was Cook's conceptualized brainchild is incorrect.
I’m sure every product that Tim released was discussed under Jobs. But there is no proof either way of when the design work started.
 

frostiex

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Sigh....it is people like this with double standards that annoys me. Apply what you see fit as ok to fight for. Where other unjust you can say Nah and bow to the $$. I personally not the biggest fan of Steve Jobs...but at least he is a jerk to everyone across the board.

"Back in 2014, Cook wrote a letter for Bloomberg Businessweek where he came out as gay in an effort to bring comfort to anyone who feels alone" and "inspire people to insist on their equality.""
 

PickUrPoison

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I'm not saying that Musk should work at Apple. That would be a terrible idea. I'm just saying that Jobs and Musk are comparable.
Musk at apple is actually funny. Imagine that guy stumbling through an introduction of a new iPhone or Mac Pro.
Agreed Musk is a visionary and inventor, and has other similarities to Jobs but my original question was who should/could replace Cook if those who say he should be fired got their wish.
 
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