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Apple CEO Tim Cook to Meet With U.S. President Joe Biden to Discuss Cybersecurity
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Or buy nothing. Why support any of the spyware? Smartphones are so 2008. There is more to life than buying the next thinner, shinier spyware.
Seriously. Pay attention to my point: it doesn’t matter why they search. The issue is that they search. Catching a thousand criminals does not justify searching one person without a warrant.
I'm sure your email reminder from the moderator team is on its way.
Macrumors is going to block you all for speaking your opinion. Just saying.
Apple isn't the government. They don't need a warrant to search their servers that they operate. You use their services you abide by their rules. You don't even need to upload your images to iCloud. But If you don't like it, use a different company. Google is spy central, so you must avoid Android. You could get a flip-phone, but those suck. There are good deals on cheap WIndows phones on eBay. Microsoft doesn't spy on you on those. You wont get any software updates, but hey, your stuff isn't being searched as you say "without a warrant".
Are There Worthy Alternatives to iCloud Photos? Probably Not
If you're looking for a new way to store, sync, and organize your photos without Apple and iCloud, we have good news and bad news.
Depends on how you encrypt the data. The research group down the hall of my own research group is currently working on porting encryption to QSC. Good luck with that NSA.
No worries. They have the best research scientists and mathematicians on their payroll, augmented by collaborating universities. And have an essentially unlimited budget.
Sorry, but no. It's actually a slippery slope argument, which isn't necessarily a fallacy. An appeal to consequences fallacy is something quite a bit different. Appeal to consequence is a formal, or logical, fallacy. Slippery slope is (possibly) an informal fallacy.
Logical fallacies are apparent, or inarguable, because they clearly consist of flawed logic. E.g.: When the cock crows the sun rises, therefore the cock crowing causes the sun to rise. (Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc [this, therefore because of this], logical.) Informal fallacies may be arguable, because their truth, or lack thereof, depend upon whether or not there's been a misuse of language or evidence.
A slippery slope argument isn't always fallacious because labeling it as such begs the question, to wit: It presumes the predicted possible outcomes of the proposed action are in fact entirely unlikely. (In the instant case I'd submit they are not.)
Nice try
, but his argument is sound. You may disagree with the likelihood of the negative consequences he anticipates, but that doesn't make him necessarily wrong.
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The thing is Apple isn’t searching their servers. They are searching ALL iPhones that have iCloud photo sharing turned on. They are doing this ON. EACH. iPHONE. They aren’t doing anything in iCloud. All Apple iPhones, iPads, Macs & Apple TVs will be searched on the devices themselves. (You do own the devices, but you don’t own the software that makes them run.) Apple is looking for bad pictures you have on your devices, which can be ANYTHING Apple wants. If they find them, some sad person at Apple will have to look at one. If that person at Apple doesn’t like what they see - Expect to be rudely interrupted by a SWAT Team carrying machine guns, knocking your door in, confiscating all your electronics and hauling every adult to jail, while your kids are placed with social services for the duration of your upcoming trial. The fact that you didn’t even know those pics were on your phone won’t matter at all. While you are in jail don’t expect to live to your trial date. The one thing inmates kill people for, is why you’re in jail. You didn’t do the crime, but it won’t matter. Your future, brought to you by Apple Inc. (Most likely against their will.) Want to know who’s really behind all this? Look into the people who ruined Tumbler, closed X-Tube, FansOnly, and many more.
Wow. You got me by ignoring the point entirely and focusing on the least relevant detail for two chapters. Everyone knows they aren’t the government, but that doesn’t change what they did. They are just sharing their customers data with the police after claiming they won’t.
Great. According to my understanding of the rhyme that means Apple gets stitches.
Last week for me. Spun up my old XPS13 on Linux and have transferred all my photos, music and office docs (had to convert to LibreOffice), and am running it in parallel with my old MacBook. I’ve also been transitioning my device backups from iCloud to my local NAS. Just today, I reduced my iCloud storage from 200GB to 50GB, and am well on the path of eliminating it entirely. Since the battery on my XPS13 is starting to swell slightly, I’m going to have to replace it in the near future. If Apple hasn’t reversed course on their spyware plans by the time the new MacBook Pro’s are released, I’ve researched and will purchase one of the new Framework modular laptops instead with the allocated budget (https://frame.work/) - and will run Linux on it. Needless to say, I’ll hang on to my iPhone 12 Pro Max (running iOS 14) until iOS 14 is out of support, then find something else. BTW - I am not the only person I’m aware of that is charting a similar course.
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Trump: Tim Apple
Biden: Tim... I don’t know
Biden: Tim... I don’t know
Biden wants to discuss ways to expand surveillance of American citizens. I'm sure they'll start planning many ways to use Apple's new on-device spyware.
I sure hope Tim still remembers how to solder to replace those burnt out chips in the President. The Weekend At Bernies jokes are really getting old. Somebody needs to fix the elusive Biden creature if he can be caught in the wild {basement) with his stash of tapioca pudding. Biden doesn't even know how to use a computer or the internet or Twitter or Facebook or where his kid's laptops are so what could he possibly do to help out? It's not like he could possibly make any knowledgeable decision on this topic. PLEASE!
It's embarrassing that this is even on this website. And I didn't even get started on Cook but the truth is he's placing his customers in the reckless hands of the government that just left 10,000+ citizens stranded in a hostile foreign country! What the hell was he thinking?!
It's embarrassing that this is even on this website. And I didn't even get started on Cook but the truth is he's placing his customers in the reckless hands of the government that just left 10,000+ citizens stranded in a hostile foreign country! What the hell was he thinking?!
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Mimimimi what a filthy blabber mounth.
Unnnncleeeee Joooeeee, they are bad mouthing my CSAM surveillance, and they are trying to destroy the monopoly I hardly build, could you please intervene this?
Ops, I think i lost my Apple Wallet somewhere in here, please let me know if you find it *blink - blink*
As if Tim knows anything about security!
F* Lobbyist, Shame - Shame - Shame
Unnnncleeeee Joooeeee, they are bad mouthing my CSAM surveillance, and they are trying to destroy the monopoly I hardly build, could you please intervene this?
Ops, I think i lost my Apple Wallet somewhere in here, please let me know if you find it *blink - blink*
As if Tim knows anything about security!
F* Lobbyist, Shame - Shame - Shame
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They're only sharing it if you upload child sexual abuse imagery to iCloud. This is the point that you are glossing over. That stuff isn't just illegal, it's absolutely abhorrent and Apple does not want to have their services used for that. That is within their rights to do. Just like it's within your rights to not buy an Apple product. Then you state that they're sharing that info with the police after claiming that they wouldn't. That is a fair argument, but it has no legal implications. Apple can update their terms of service whenever they want. It says so right in the terms of service that you agree to when you set up an iPhone. If you do not like it, then get a non-Apple branded phone. It's called "voting with your wallet". Simple as that.
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Like the article recommends, I’ve been using the excellent app PhotoSync to help transition away from iCloud photos. While slightly cumbersome, I’ve managed to configure it to accomplish everything I need (sync & backup) regarding my iPhone photos. I’ve said it elsewhere, but it really makes me sad to see Apple sell out their customers and I keep hoping they will reverse course soon…Are There Worthy Alternatives to iCloud Photos? Probably Not
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Sorry, but no. It's actually a slippery slope argument, which isn't necessarily a fallacy. An appeal to consequences fallacy is something quite a bit different. Appeal to consequence is a formal, or logical, fallacy. Slippery slope is (possibly) an informal fallacy.
Logical fallacies are apparent, or inarguable, because they clearly consist of flawed logic. E.g.: When the cock crows the sun rises, therefore the cock crowing causes the sun to rise. (Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc [this, therefore because of this], logical.) Informal fallacies may be arguable, because their truth, or lack thereof, depend upon whether or not there's been a misuse of language or evidence.
A slippery slope argument isn't always fallacious because labeling it as such begs the question, to wit: Are the predicted possible outcomes of the proposed action in fact entirely unlikely? (In the instant case I'd submit they are not.)
Nice try
Thank you for the correction.
Wow a lot of dislike for Biden here. I was sure almost everyone on this forum was a die hard democrat, loyal to any democrat politician no matter what. How many of you switched due to recent events? Why the hate for Tim all of a sudden?