I doubt either has anything relevant to say about the technology. This will be a political meeting between Tim and presidential staff.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook to Meet With U.S. President Joe Biden to Discuss Cybersecurity
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Exactly. It’s sad how just the mention of any US politician, no matter how benign the context, brings the political comments out of the woodwork
It is absolutely fine and understandable if Apple does not want to have such material on their servers, they have every right to do so. They can do whatever they want on their servers, but Apple has no right to use MY iPhone to scan my pictures for them. They can use their own servers for that.
Why should I blindly trust Apple to only scan my media if I have iCloud enabled?
More than enough reasons have been given here why this black box technology is a stupid idea and one has to be very ignorant to ignore all these (reasonable) concerns about the technology.
Just because something is possible doesn't mean it should be implemented, for the sake of protecting everyone's privacy and human rights (you know, the things Apple once stood for).
My only post of the day: is it about cybersecurity or preventing it? Apple seems hellbent on ruining decades of good work. Posters should understand this will NOT just be iPhones, it will inevitable be on all hardware devices you own, devices you paid Apple to provide you with a service, with processing power.
The falsehood about increasing privacy by having software on our devices was shown to be false yesterday when it was acknowledged in the last few days that Apple had been scanning iCloud email for some time along with other undefined scanning without mentioning it, but had not been scanning iCloud photos hence their actions now? (then do it the same way the server).
Now it was suggested increased privacy by installing a backdoor on hardware devices? the word I'd like to use could be seen to be obscene, so just suffice to say its 'ridiculous'.
So if they've already been scanning iCloud email from the cloud, then do the same with photos, via the cloud, not by imposing software onto individual devices THEY DO NOT OWN.
They have the right to put the software on the cloud and people using that facility will know what is happening, and for most I don't believe it would worry them too much.
To put software on hardware is opening a backdoor, albeit in the name of child safety, that can and will in my opinion be used and modified.
Child porn often starts at the grooming phase, so even the logic of software on our hardware is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Without a contact most often through grooming on social media contact cannot take place and even passing of child porn photos are likely via on line services so to have a backdoor on individual hardware is potentially a very serious prospect of an all embracing surveillance culture even to your own equipment.
An excerpt from an organisation fighting child pornography and all credit to them.
"Those who seek to or are currently participating in the exploitation of children can connect on Internet networks and forums to sell, share, and trade material. These interactions are facilitated through several forms of internet technology, including websites, email, instant messaging/ICQ, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), newsgroups, bulletin boards, peer-to-peer networks, internet gaming sites, social networking sites, and anonymized networks"
Under the above no user hardware needs a backdoor, as whatever posters suggest, whether it pre hash checks, or anything else, processing and software via our hardware is unnecessary and potentially the backdoor for everything on your devices, and as seen with China, Apple do bend and with sufficient leverage from governments/dictators where ironically such leverage exists currently with official App Store inquiries ongoing in many countries, along with potentially expensive current lawsuits.
Now look again at the excerpt posted. "Internet networks" "Forums" "Websites" "Email" "Instant Messaging/ICQ" "Internet Relay Chat (IRC)", "newsgroups", "bulletin boards", "peer-to-peer networks", "internet gaming sites", "social networking sites" and "anonymised networks"
Non of this requires software on YOUR hardware, YOUR personal property, property YOU have paid Apple for.
To me, this is the problem, not the online checks, because these organisations can have these checks as can Apple on THEIR equipment, where it should be, without the need to install backdoors in billions of Apple devices.
Tim, if your attempt at helping to prevent child pornography is genuine, then stop this awful PR, where you have already sacrificed your iPhone ad campaigns with regards what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone and similar, don't sacrifice all your users to achieve an end you can easily do without software on devices YOU DO NOT OWN.
This sends alarm bells, as it is in any sense of the word SURVEILLANCE, and whether it starts with a few hundred bits, it still surveillance, and does lend a backdoor open to modification that makes the Orwellian nightmare look weak by comparison.
There is now an agreement with Interpol, including UK to share the hash network with NCMEC which is a good thing increasing the hash database enormously, but it also illustrates that even logistically speaking it makes no sense to have billions of devices having to have a hash list of millions, which rises considerably every week. On your servers you can update this in a few minutes without any processing loss to OUR hardware, and without the suspicion you are creating a backdoor which undoubtedly COULD be modified for serious intrusion and giving control over every aspect of our lives to organisations, politicians, governments of all ilk etc. etc. when that threat is substantially removed if you drop the idea of software on OUR hardware and instead put it where it will still do the job, still leave Apple's privacy policy on devices virtually unscathed and the suspicions has to be with the above that if you progress with software on our hardware it is for reasons totally disconnected from the excuse of fighting child pornography.
Noting that bespoke settings are well publicised with regards to Apple's and China, it is imperative any checks Apple does are via the cloud.
The falsehood about increasing privacy by having software on our devices was shown to be false yesterday when it was acknowledged in the last few days that Apple had been scanning iCloud email for some time along with other undefined scanning without mentioning it, but had not been scanning iCloud photos hence their actions now? (then do it the same way the server).
Now it was suggested increased privacy by installing a backdoor on hardware devices? the word I'd like to use could be seen to be obscene, so just suffice to say its 'ridiculous'.
So if they've already been scanning iCloud email from the cloud, then do the same with photos, via the cloud, not by imposing software onto individual devices THEY DO NOT OWN.
They have the right to put the software on the cloud and people using that facility will know what is happening, and for most I don't believe it would worry them too much.
To put software on hardware is opening a backdoor, albeit in the name of child safety, that can and will in my opinion be used and modified.
Child porn often starts at the grooming phase, so even the logic of software on our hardware is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
Without a contact most often through grooming on social media contact cannot take place and even passing of child porn photos are likely via on line services so to have a backdoor on individual hardware is potentially a very serious prospect of an all embracing surveillance culture even to your own equipment.
An excerpt from an organisation fighting child pornography and all credit to them.
"Those who seek to or are currently participating in the exploitation of children can connect on Internet networks and forums to sell, share, and trade material. These interactions are facilitated through several forms of internet technology, including websites, email, instant messaging/ICQ, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), newsgroups, bulletin boards, peer-to-peer networks, internet gaming sites, social networking sites, and anonymized networks"
Under the above no user hardware needs a backdoor, as whatever posters suggest, whether it pre hash checks, or anything else, processing and software via our hardware is unnecessary and potentially the backdoor for everything on your devices, and as seen with China, Apple do bend and with sufficient leverage from governments/dictators where ironically such leverage exists currently with official App Store inquiries ongoing in many countries, along with potentially expensive current lawsuits.
Now look again at the excerpt posted. "Internet networks" "Forums" "Websites" "Email" "Instant Messaging/ICQ" "Internet Relay Chat (IRC)", "newsgroups", "bulletin boards", "peer-to-peer networks", "internet gaming sites", "social networking sites" and "anonymised networks"
Non of this requires software on YOUR hardware, YOUR personal property, property YOU have paid Apple for.
To me, this is the problem, not the online checks, because these organisations can have these checks as can Apple on THEIR equipment, where it should be, without the need to install backdoors in billions of Apple devices.
Tim, if your attempt at helping to prevent child pornography is genuine, then stop this awful PR, where you have already sacrificed your iPhone ad campaigns with regards what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone and similar, don't sacrifice all your users to achieve an end you can easily do without software on devices YOU DO NOT OWN.
This sends alarm bells, as it is in any sense of the word SURVEILLANCE, and whether it starts with a few hundred bits, it still surveillance, and does lend a backdoor open to modification that makes the Orwellian nightmare look weak by comparison.
There is now an agreement with Interpol, including UK to share the hash network with NCMEC which is a good thing increasing the hash database enormously, but it also illustrates that even logistically speaking it makes no sense to have billions of devices having to have a hash list of millions, which rises considerably every week. On your servers you can update this in a few minutes without any processing loss to OUR hardware, and without the suspicion you are creating a backdoor which undoubtedly COULD be modified for serious intrusion and giving control over every aspect of our lives to organisations, politicians, governments of all ilk etc. etc. when that threat is substantially removed if you drop the idea of software on OUR hardware and instead put it where it will still do the job, still leave Apple's privacy policy on devices virtually unscathed and the suspicions has to be with the above that if you progress with software on our hardware it is for reasons totally disconnected from the excuse of fighting child pornography.
Noting that bespoke settings are well publicised with regards to Apple's and China, it is imperative any checks Apple does are via the cloud.
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I suppose I’ll worry about that if I decide to email myself every document I have.
Really wonder why anyone gives a rat's butt about these circle jerk for optics... there are likely plenty of folks within the government (and industry) that could meet, come up with some conclusions and present to the President... but this looks better for the BWDs.
The people got the leader they deserved.
The MyPillow CEO will be furious he wasn't invited to this meeting!
You might be able to help me out here.
I started on PhotoSync but I suspect that my phone is only storing compressed versions of my photos. So I guess the better option is to export all the photos from my Mac and start from there?
Even if they reverse course, I‘m still gone anyway. This level of platform lock-in is going to make it really hard for most people to move, even if they want to (that‘s not a criticism). It’s on me that I didn’t pay attention. So for me, it’s best to move to a more open, cross-platform solution while I still can, and not wait for the next round of Apple Tomf*ckery to land.
….either that or we’ll just be put on another list for someone else to watch. We have no idea about where the stuff we type goes and would be naive to think it stops here.
The hash database argument is, imho, pretty solid, not a fallacy. If apple doesn’t control the database there’s no way to know what they’re searching for.
No, no. ICE CREAM!
Press slammed for making Biden their fav flavor with ice cream questions
Members of the press were criticized online after asking President Joe Biden questions about his ice cream cone.
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As long as Apple keeps sending billions of dollars to China they are a part of the security problem. Either paying for China's military advancements or sponsoring their state backed hackers.
So many anti Biden, Biden memesters, Trump supporters on MacRumors… Therefore I’m leaving MacRumors. Bye 👋
So... Biden will read something from a teleprompter to them, and then will be escorted out of the room?
Maybe Apple can check Biden's phone for kiddie porn.
The meeting will. Be like Tim hello Biden how's the wife Biden replies good Biden to Tim how's the wife Tim replies good well this has been a good meeting how about our secretary's schedule something for next year.
